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Offline pola_lazar

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Counting?
« on: September 10, 2009, 09:50:19 PM »
How to count the values..(or how it calls in english) when You need to play 4 in left hand and 3 in right hand..? Or for example how You play trill in the finale of Beethovens Sonata E op 109?? There is in right hand trill with the thumb and second finger and melody in triola with the "rest" of the fingers..I mean I know how to play in intuition that but I mean exactly if somebody knows how to COUNT it that I can play exactly in time..  :o

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Re: Counting?
«Reply #1 on: September 10, 2009, 10:50:09 PM »
did you mean 4 notes in left hands and 3 notes in right hands?

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Re: Counting?
«Reply #2 on: September 10, 2009, 11:25:14 PM »
I guess you mean polyrhythms.  

Find the lowest common denominator of rhythmic value.  You can then construct a resultant rhythmic pattern with both combined rhythms.

Eg: 3 against 2.  
Combining both you hear:
Quarter, eighth, eighth, quarter
or 1 2 & 3.

Some may find it helpful to use a speech rhythm pattern of a phrase to help them remember rhythm.  In the 3 against 2 example "Nice cup of tea" is one.

Exercise in counting and clapping.  Each hand gets assigned one rhythm, you only count along with one selected hand.  Perform this sequence without break, always keeping steady pulse. You can repeat if you like.

RH 3, LH 2, Count 3.
RH 3, LH 2, Count 2.
RH 2, LH 3, Count 2.
RH 2, LH 3, Count 3.


For 4 against 3 the rhythm is:
Dotted eighth, sixteenth, eighth, eighth, sixteenth, dotted eighth.
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