Abstract Music

[sr_ludwig]

This is some conclusion about Aristotle, Schoenberg and Stockhausen. Maybe some ideas have already been refuted by me, but I would like to discuss in a productive way, your vision of this "work". this is art, this is sound. so, this is music. maybe it does not match with the function that  you gives  for music, but remember, if you give some function to art, art it is no more.

sorry about my bad english.

[birba]

The quotational precursor to the musical performance just sounded like a lot of intellectual masturbating.  The music and performance itself was beyond me.  I don't know what to say.  I think "true" music, in the end, reaches many and not just a few.  It sounded dated.  Something they used to do 20-30 years ago.  Maybe if I listened to it again...and again...

[sr_ludwig]

The quotational precursor to the musical performance just sounded like a lot of intellectual masturbating. 

my supervisor asked for a text at the beginning, as it was presented in a theater super conservative. is difficult to find people here in Brazil that will listen this kind of music so the text in the beginning, to prepare them in any way to listen what would come next.
all new kind of music here needs all this masturbation.

I think "true" music, in the end, reaches many and not just a few

I think that there is no true music when you insert goals. I mean, like Kant says, (I don't know the best translate for it) art is an endless purpose.
Music doesn't have to be universal to be music.

It sounded dated.  Something they used to do 20-30 years ago.  Maybe if I listened to it again...and again...

Sorry, but what do you mean? I didn't get it =[

[birba]

What I was talking about actually took place in the fifties in New York among the so-called beat generation.  Beatniks.  They congregated in small groups in cafe's and bars around the village area and extemporized their feelings.  Mostly having to do with artistic isolation, revolting against the after-the-war new found wealth and industry in the US.  Usually, a flute, a guitar, clicking of the fingers and thumbs, etc. were the background for poets of the likes of Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac.  Your music has that similar sound of improvisation and background, but without the essence of anything else.  To me, music, by itself, must have a rythmic pulse.  A continuous beat around which sound flows.  Otherwise, to me, it's just sound.  Nice sounds, wierd sounds, noise, screaming, etc.  It just doesn't reach me.

[sr_ludwig]

extemporized their feelings. 

please note that I'm not talking about feelings. it sounds too much romantic. it is more than feelings.
feeling is a material thing it comes from out our body. this piece shows the other side.

To me, music, by itself, must have a rythmic pulse.  A continuous beat around which sound flows

well, if you are listening the earth it is not music, but if you turn on a metronome and sound get flowing with the beats it will be music.
By the way, when I read for the first time your words I could agree with you, but listening it again, oh, it has a pulse, and it is a nature pulse.
Music is an art and like all the others kind of art, it is just a "scratch". the human likes to give functions to all the things, and look that art can have a lot of functions. and we all know what happens with the art when it gets a function.

[birba]

If you listen to the earth and the cosmos, there is a definite beat.  Infinitely slow, but pulsating constantly at a regular beat.  And I guess I must be from an older school.  I don't know how you can separate art from feelings.

[sr_ludwig]

so I bet that if you listen just one more time, you will see a beat =]
Now about teh feelings, I could explain to you in Portuguese, and even it would be hard. But if are you interested about it, I can work to write a article in english explaining these things.

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