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Offline zheer

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Originality.
on: October 13, 2009, 07:39:52 PM
Does anyone else find that performing classical piano music gets a tad too repetitive, same thing over and over again.
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Re: Originality.
Reply #1 on: October 13, 2009, 07:45:14 PM
Some pieces never get old for me. But for the most part I agree with you, Glenn Gould thought you can not repeat the same performance of someone 100 or so years ago.
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Re: Originality.
Reply #2 on: October 13, 2009, 07:55:05 PM
Does anyone else find that performing classical piano music gets a tad too repetitive, same thing over and over again.

Never, because it is as different as you want it to be.

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Re: Originality.
Reply #3 on: October 13, 2009, 08:03:28 PM
Never, because it is as different as you want it to be.

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I don't understand what you mean?
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Re: Originality.
Reply #4 on: October 13, 2009, 08:48:18 PM
The flexibility of classical music lies in different interpretations (must appeal to you ;) ) and DETAILS.
It only gets boring if you play a certain piece over and over, thats what people should really try avoiding since its easy to lose the 'heart' of a piece if you play it too often.
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Re: Originality.
Reply #5 on: October 13, 2009, 09:01:41 PM
I don't understand what you mean?

If you play things exactly as written, eventually you will find pieces repetative. There must be a million different ways of playing a Beethoven sonata and if you play as your mood dictates, every time you play it, it will be different.

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Re: Originality.
Reply #6 on: October 14, 2009, 05:27:06 PM
If you play things exactly as written, eventually you will find pieces repetative. There must be a million different ways of playing a Beethoven sonata and if you play as your mood dictates, every time you play it, it will be different.

Thal

Yes, and I find that I "take" something new from the piece each time I play it; definitely not something that can be shared with another person. And this is not only from Beethoven's sonatas, but every piece.*




*not schumann though

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Re: Originality.
Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 06:28:19 PM
Yes, and I find that I "take" something new from the piece each time I play it; definitely not something that can be shared with another person. And this is not only from Beethoven's sonatas, but every piece.*




*not schumann though

My I ask why not Schumann?
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Re: Originality.
Reply #8 on: October 14, 2009, 06:35:29 PM
Certainly. Well! to me, Schumann is a very interesting and intriguing composer: Not one of his 300 compositions is beautiful.

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Re: Originality.
Reply #9 on: October 14, 2009, 07:32:16 PM
Does anyone else find that performing classical piano music gets a tad too repetitive, same thing over and over again.
The role of an interpreter is to take the written notes and serve them to the listener in a way that makes sense and MUSIC.  As a result, we are not listening ONLY to the composer, but to the interpreter as well.  And what the interpreter has to offer can range from VERBATIM playing, to DISTORTED playing.  Generally, I prefer the distorted playing.  Just because when you take a composer like, Beethoven, for example, I KNOW the verbatim playing.  We've probably played it ourselves.  So, when we perform a Beethoven sonata, throw what you've learned to the wind, and play it like you were composing it on the moment.  "AS IF" you didn't know what was coming next.  (This "AS IF" is important, because, of course,  you have to know what's coming next.) But the music you will know backwards and forwards, will have consumed and digested it hundreds of times, so you can be a little careless and try to surprise yourself and the audience.  Kempff, who played the whole cycle of the Beethoven sonatas, umpteen times, always, always, found something different to project.  It really was LIVING music.  When music is performed like this, it is NEVER repetitive.  It is always new and immediate.  This is something I'm always striving for.  It doesn't always work for me.  But this is my life long-goal!

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Re: Originality.
Reply #10 on: October 16, 2009, 01:00:06 PM
Does anyone else find that performing classical piano music gets a tad too repetitive, same thing over and over again.
I mix it up a little bit with Jazz. I also play classical guitar and I mostly use the piano for composing. 

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Re: Originality.
Reply #11 on: October 25, 2009, 08:06:06 PM
Not just classical music, but ALL music can be boring if you have to repeat it over and over. Do you think the Beach Boys don't get tired of singing Good Vibrations?

And not even just music, but anything can get boring with repetition. Even sex...

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Re: Originality.
Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 06:35:35 AM
Does anyone else find that performing classical piano music gets a tad too repetitive, same thing over and over again.

Or maybe you never learned to really 'finish' a piece, so you can experience the beauty in it.
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Re: Originality.
Reply #13 on: October 27, 2009, 01:59:19 AM
When you are looking for an original performance.

Try Chopin Waltz Op.42.

THere are a lot of expressive ways to play it.
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Re: Originality.
Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 07:38:28 PM
Certainly. Well! to me, Schumann is a very interesting and intriguing composer: Not one of his 300 compositions is beautiful.

Wow, so funny. In your place I think I would at least shut up and have some respect to this great romantic composer.
You don't like him? Ok, your problem, but don't say his compositions aren't beautiful- To me his Fantasie Op. 17 is the most beautiful work I have ever heard in my life.

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Re: Originality.
Reply #15 on: November 04, 2009, 10:57:40 PM
Wow, so funny. In your place I think I would at least shut up and have some respect to this great romantic composer.
You don't like him? Ok, your problem, but don't say his compositions aren't beautiful- To me his Fantasie Op. 17 is the most beautiful work I have ever heard in my life.

Schumann's compositions pander to only the lowest, common denominator.

Glad you enjoy them!


And, in response to the original question: if you are getting bored with the music you keep having to hear, perhaps you should think of expanding your tastes with music you haven't heard yet.
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Re: Originality.
Reply #16 on: November 04, 2009, 11:55:00 PM
It can be...if you as an interpreter make it to be so.  Try to spice up your piece somehow by doing something completely different..I find that remixing it for fun makes it much more interesting to play sometimes.  Also, listen to some other pieces..there's so much to enjoy out there, take the time to listen to it all!
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