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Offline pies

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Offline jr11

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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #1 on: June 30, 2004, 05:32:22 PM
In the Vancouver area, $100cdn to tune and perform any minor repairs and adjustments.

Offline ivoryplayer4him

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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #2 on: July 02, 2004, 04:42:23 AM
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My piano desperately needs a tuning since it was last tuned about 6 years ago and I do not remember the cost.
My mom won't pay for it so it looks like I have to gather up some money.
So, what is the average cost of a tuning?


Probably anywhere from 60-90 dollars.  Every person that i have found here in Texas, charges about 60 dollars not including travel...which usually bumps it up to 70 dollars.  Now if there is anything else wrong with it then its really hard to say how much it could cost
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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #3 on: July 02, 2004, 07:29:44 AM
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My mom won't pay for it so it looks like I have to gather up some money.

oh man, that sucks!! [sarcasm] Nice to see some supporting parents![/sarcasm] :P

Pies, I thought you have an upright, yes?
For tuning alone, 70$ Canadian sounds reasonable, so ~50$ US... :-/

However, I usually get the technician to do some action adjustment and even voicing.  That's where things start to get expensive...But dont worry- Uprights are cheaper to maintain than a Grand because, well there is so much less to go wrong.

I cant believe your piano hasnt been tuned for 6 years!  It must sound like a Honky Tonk..[redneck accent]Now, play me some pianese!!!
Yeehaw!!! now ya see here, way downt naid eny mour uh yo kand round this here neck a thuh woods...[/redneck accent] oh, sorry pies, I get carried away sometimes...  
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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #4 on: July 02, 2004, 05:34:37 PM
It depends on your location. Call up a few local tuners, and get estimates.

Also, since the tuning has not been kept up, the tuner might need to do a couple of tunings close together to make sure it holds the pitch.
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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #5 on: July 02, 2004, 06:39:53 PM
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Also, since the tuning has not been kept up, the tuner might need to do a couple of tunings close together to make sure it holds the pitch.

not really...When we were getting my old upright back into shape when I took up piano for the second time, the piano hadnt been tuned for 5 years.  The tuner said he couldnt tune it all the way- he said the strings may break..so he half tuned it and came back 0.75 years later to tune it a little more..We ran out of patience and just sold it...got a Grand. :o
lets just say, pies,,You wont have a really good sounding piano for a couple years at least...sorry bud.
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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #6 on: July 03, 2004, 02:39:45 AM
I live in the Midwest, in a fairly small town, outside of a bigger town/city.  I had my piano tuned a few months ago, and it cost $70 or $75.  Call around.
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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #7 on: July 03, 2004, 11:24:34 AM
Tuning cost: Usually between $50-$75.  Some tuners will charge $100 or more for their service.

Before I started playing, in the 10+ years of owning a Yammie baby grand, it has only been tuned twice - the first was free because it was new, the second when my sister was preparing for her grade 8 ABRSM exam.

It now gets tuned whenever I feel like it because I'm its tuner! :D  I learned how to tune the piano because my mom didn't want to spend $75 for the tuning costs.  And the $75 tuning was because I nagged her it should be tuned.  I'm now in the process of becoming its technician as well. 8)

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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #8 on: July 03, 2004, 12:32:59 PM
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It now gets tuned whenever I feel like it because I'm its tuner! :D  I learned how to tune the piano because my mom didn't want to spend $75 for the tuning costs.  And the $75 tuning was because I nagged her it should be tuned.  I'm now in the process of becoming its technician as well. 8)


How do you tune your own piano?  What tools are required?

Do you tune by ear?

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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #9 on: July 03, 2004, 12:47:58 PM
I posted this reply on Chopinfiles not too long ago.
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Having a properly tuned piano is very important, not just of the piano, but of how you play. If you play on a poorly tuned piano, you may develop poor pedal technique to try to "cover" up the deficiencies of sound.

How often:
It depends on numerous factors. The most important factor is climatic: temperature and humidity. If you live in a region that often fluctuates throughout the year or even week to week, then to keep a well-tuned piano it should be tuned very often, as often as four times a year if not more. But if you live in a region with a very stable climate that fluctuates very little, then it may only be necessary to have it tuned once a year or even less.

An example of how a $75 tuning got ruined in less than two weeks. This happened to my piano. It was moderate temperature when it was tuned. However, this was during the beginning of spring season. Less than two weeks later, there were two consecutive very hot days followed by some cool days. On the first hot day, all of the notes' pitches dropped. It was very audible. Second day just made it worse. $75 down the drain? Oh well, this was the pianos third tuning in over 10 years.

Because of the climate here in San Francisco, depending on how much time I have, I tune it often though not all the notes at a time. Some unisons (the two or three strings that make up the note) go out of tune with each other so I have to tune those strings back into tune with each other. This is a quick fix so notes sound "pure".


How much it costs:
It usually costs anywhere between $50-75 dollars. Certain tuners may charge as much as $100. You should ask someone for a recomendation for a tuner and also ask how satisfied they were with the tuning.

Keep in mind that tuning piano's is different with different pianos. Certain piano's usually won't hold pitch very long while others hold it very well. Usually the cheap or very old pianos with worn out pin blocks or poorly maintained ones don't hold pitch. And the condition of the strings also affects pitch. If strings are rusted, then the strings will not vibrate un-impeded and tuning will be dificult as the string won't vibrate at a certain pitch when tuned. So if someone has negative feedback about a tuner, first take a look at their piano. If it's old and poorly maintained, then there is little a tuner can do but patch the piano up. So ask someone with a well-maintained piano for a tuner.


Can you tune it yourself?
Yes, you can. I tune my piano myself. If you have a lot of patience, then tuning your piano may be a worthwhile venture. You need proper tools to tune the piano.

You need:
tuning hammer ($20-$100)
mutes and/or strip mutes ($5-$20)
reference pitch (tuning forks [$8-30] or electronic tuning device[$40-$200+])
book on tuning ($10-$20)
proper hearing (priceless)

The learning takes a huge amount of time. Learning how to 'tap' the hammer to turn the pins is the most important initial aspect. The most difficult aspect of tuning is learning how to tune the notes to proper pitch with just one reference note. However, with modern technology, electronic tuning devices are much more convenient as it read out the pitch of each note so one does not have to rely on a highly skilled ear to tune. Most tuners rely on an ETD. It's cheating but you don't have to develop aural skill to tune the scales. I use an ETD and wouldn't be able to tune the piano without it. I'm a cheater but I'm going to learn to tune without it someday.

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It's really not that hard to tune your piano and you are not disassembling anything. You're just turning the pins very very very very slightly. And there isn't much reading involved either. There is very little theory that is in the act of tuning. Tightening the string will make the string vibrate faster; loosening it will make the string vibrate slower. That's all the theory you need. The rest is done with your ear to tune the other notes to proper pitch (very difficult). This is where an ETD can be of very good use as it will read out how far flat or sharp a note is so you can tune it to pitch.

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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #10 on: July 03, 2004, 07:25:55 PM
Around where I live, it's about $60.

What is voicing?

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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #11 on: July 04, 2004, 04:11:34 AM
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What is voicing?

Voicing is something you do to make the tone more pleasant if it sounds muffled (a serious problem among Kawais) or too bright. (A serious problem among Yamahas)

Too make the piano less bright, the technician uses a special needle and scratches the hammers slightly to roughen them up.  The problem with this is, if the technician goes to far, there is nothing to be done to go back to how it was originally.  A temporary way to get less brighter tone is to steam the hammers.   Cons: It isnt permanent, so the nice tone will not last.  Pros: It isnt permanent, so if you dont like the new tone, it will go back to the original state.

To make the piano more bright, chemicals are applied to the hammers.  This is VERY risky!!! There is no going back after the hammers are covered in the goop, and there is a good probability the piano will sound like sh1t.

The best solution:  Choose a piano with a good tone to begin with, and pray to Satan you wont have to voice.

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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #12 on: July 04, 2004, 04:38:25 AM
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The best solution:  Choose a piano with a good tone to begin with, and pray to Satan you wont have to voice.


Isn't voicing unavoidable on even the best pianos?

After all, if the piano is played a lot, then the felt around the hammers tends to compress and become more firm at the point where it impacts the strings.  Then the sound becomes unpleasantly bright.

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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #13 on: July 04, 2004, 04:45:39 AM
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Isn't voicing unavoidable on even the best pianos?

After all, if the piano is played a lot, then the felt around the hammers tends to compress and become more firm at the point where it impacts the strings.  Then the sound becomes unpleasantly bright.

- Saturn

It's not unavoidable- the piano, if it sounds great to begin with, will continue to sound great for your lifetime.  True, the hammers will get hammered down (who figured?), but if the piano is made well, you wont be bothered by it for a long time, and there is a good chance you will buy a new piano before you need voicing.  (Many people would buy a new piano instead of replacing specific parts of a piano, like the whippens, or the keybed, the soundboard...etc...)  Of course, Humidity- therefore the location of the piano is also important.

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Re: typical tuning cost?
Reply #14 on: July 04, 2004, 05:00:07 AM
Voicing frequency really depends on how anal you are  about how your piano sounds.  Some will have it done yearly while others don't know what voicing is.  All piano hammers will suffer from its contact with the strings.  How it suffers depends on the piano.  My yammie was way too bright so I toned it down - its first voicing in over 10 years.  
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