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on: July 04, 2004, 11:04:41 PM
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Reply #1 on: July 04, 2004, 11:30:56 PM
The numbers refer to fingering. The "S" sign is an ornament called a turn. A turn means that you start on the note above the note written then go back to the written note then to the note below and finally back to the written note again, all in the space of the note below the turn sign. This means that in this instance you satrt on G and would play GFEF in the space where the F is written. The natural refers to the notes in the turn. Notice that it is written below the "S" sign, this means that the lower note of the turn (E in this case) is a natural, the numbers therefore refer to the fingering for the notes in the turn.

I hope this kinda helps, it is quite hard to explain but easier to show! :D

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Reply #2 on: July 04, 2004, 11:50:58 PM
To amend JK's post: there are many different types of turns in use. What notes they are made of may depend on the period the piece is from or on the composer. Also, these ornaments are sometimes executed starting BEFORE the beat of the principal note (e.g. in Chopin), sometimes AT the beat (e.g. in Bach). There are exceptions everywhere, and often the interpretation of ornaments is a matter of heated debate among scholars. Ornaments are usually used to emphasize a certain note over, say, the bass line. In Baroque music, this has to do with the limited dynamic capabilities of the harpsicord, which made it necessary to draw attention to certain notes through the use of ornamants. When the same pieces are played on a piano, one can often dispense with the ornaments, because one can properly shape phrases through dynamics (e.g. by playing the melody notes louder than the bass line).

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Reply #3 on: July 05, 2004, 12:00:46 AM
Dont think of me as too anal, but you might get a better response if you give some clue to your question in the post's name...
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Reply #4 on: July 05, 2004, 12:22:40 AM
pies, what key is this music in?  What clef are those notes in?  Maybe, we can help you by telling you the notes to play.  The easiest way to understand is to listen to a recording of the piece, and copy what they do.

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Reply #6 on: July 05, 2004, 03:22:08 AM
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Treble Clef of Chopin's first Polonaise I believe (1817) in G Minor

ok, that's easy... Play the F with the 3 finger.  then, play four notes (G F E F) with the specified fingers above the turnaround sign, with the right timing so you play the marked note G in time.  Play F__GFEFG
, where the __ represents the time where you would play the second 8th note of the grouping.

ok, this is TONS easier to demonstrate than describe-Ask your teacher if what I say is nonsense.
donjuan

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Reply #8 on: July 05, 2004, 04:49:23 AM
pies, I forgot something kind of important--> the natural sign under the turnaround sign merely means, you should ignore the key signature for all the notes involved in the turnaround, in this case, F, G, and E.  If the natural sign werent there, you would play E flat in the turnaround instead.

That is a great piece you have chosen!  Keep it up!
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Reply #10 on: July 05, 2004, 10:02:13 PM
It is a direction to arpeggiate the chords.
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Reply #12 on: July 05, 2004, 11:49:09 PM
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can you elaborate? I dont quite understand

It means the following chords should be played arpeggiated (i.e. broken) from the bottom note to the top note.

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Reply #13 on: July 06, 2004, 12:15:10 AM
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Reply #14 on: July 06, 2004, 01:02:17 AM
pies, I hope you looked at getting the theory book- then you wouldnt have to waste your time with this stuff on the forum.

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Reply #15 on: July 06, 2004, 01:59:11 AM
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pies, I hope you looked at getting the theory book- then you wouldnt have to waste your time with this stuff on the forum.

Speaking about subtle... You are quite the subtle one, my man! ;D ;D

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Reply #17 on: July 07, 2004, 01:06:20 AM
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Speaking about subtle... You are quite the subtle one, my man! ;D ;D

now you are just being hostile! :P  Look, these simple things are easily found in almost any theory book.  He would learn much more efficiently if he had one for reference!
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