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Topic: Fingering, "striking" chords  (Read 1774 times)

Offline willcowskitz

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Fingering, "striking" chords
on: July 06, 2004, 09:55:47 PM
Here's the part: https://koti.mbnet.fi/exlex/piacevole.jpg

The problem is with the left hand from where I've marked fingerings that I use.  For all other similar two-note chords I use the latter fingerings, but for the first (bar 547) and second half of the last (550) I use the first fingering. Is that bad? Because I do have some trouble keeping up with the right hand, but I can't tell whether its just cause I lack technical proficiency or because the fingering is just unoptimal for consistency. I thought of changing those 51-2-1-2 too to 52-1-2-1 fingering but it brings another problem when I go from A to B when I have to jump over the black key.

https://koti.mbnet.fi/exlex/piacevole.mp3

That's played with the original 51-2-1-2 fingering in 547 and 550, and I think you can hear the "latency" in co-operation between left and right hand, which I think results in my right hand's playing also getting fragmented. My left is also pretty uncontrolled what comes to velocity, which might also be due to the problematic fingering.

Should I learn another way to finger this, and if so, what would you suggest?

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Re: Fingering, "striking" chords
Reply #1 on: July 06, 2004, 11:22:08 PM
Your fingering is very good and anatomically advantageous.

If you aren't able to play it evenly, practice SLOWLY so that each finger depresses his key fully to the keybed and so that the arm assists each finger to find his optimal position to play a full tone in an easy way.

I suspect you are playing too fast ("wanting with the head through the wall"), and your consciousness is not enough at your left hand.

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Monk

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Re: Fingering, "striking" chords
Reply #2 on: July 07, 2004, 12:14:41 AM
Oh no, I am wrong! Your fingering is not good!

You have to use 2-1-2-1 in bar 547 also, otherwise you can't go to bar 548 fluently (except you are starting in bar 548 with finger 3 - but except with big hands you get much tension between finger 5 and 3).

If you use 2-1-2-1 in bar 547 then of course you have to move the hand nearer to the black keys because the thumb has to play a black key. But that's normal and O.K. - except when you have really thick fingers and your 2nd finger can't get between the black keys; then you really have a problem.

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Monk

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Re: Fingering, "striking" chords
Reply #3 on: July 07, 2004, 12:56:58 AM
Thanks a bunch for the tips, monk.

I tried it with 53-1-3-1 in 548 but then I had trouble returning to 51-2-1-2 because of thumb being occupied, and my hand got bent a bit when reaching the pinky on that black (I like to keep distance from them if I can afford it). I think I will try to get through this with 2-1-2-1 for every bar. The subject "striking chords" was referring to how I found it extremely difficult to play the left hand legato meaning I would have to learn to "hit" my hand on the keys on each of those 2-note chords. I guess its important to have a constant fingering for them, as the switch between 2-1-2-1 and 1-2-1-2 always resulted in exaggerated velocity due to lack of control which came from having to hurry the 1st or 2nd finger onto those chords. Again, thanks for the insight.

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Re: Fingering, "striking" chords
Reply #4 on: July 07, 2004, 12:59:44 AM
I agree with Monk (2nd post).

Use 52 – 121 throughout and negotiate playing the black key with the thumb by bringing your hand forwards and backward.

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