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Offline Bob

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origin of sforzando
on: March 04, 2010, 03:19:20 AM
Does that have anything to do with Francesco Sforza?
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Re: origin of sforzando
Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 03:25:36 AM
It is just the gerund form of the Italian verb sforzare, meaning "to force". You could find an Italian etymology book and trace the origin. I'm sure it comes from a Latin word.

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Re: origin of sforzando
Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 03:35:46 AM
The literal translation of sforzando is "forcing", if that helps a bit more.

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Re: origin of sforzando
Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 06:01:58 PM
c.1300, from O.Fr. force, from L.L. fortia, from neut. pl. of L. fortis "strong"

So, Latin to French to Italian.
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Re: origin of sforzando
Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 07:11:32 PM
c.1300, from O.Fr. force, from L.L. fortia, from neut. pl. of L. fortis "strong"

That's the etymology of "force," not sforzando.

So, Latin to French to Italian.

French isn't an element in the etymology of the modern Italian word sforzando:

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[Italian, gerund of sforzare, to use force : s-, intensive pref. (from Latin ex-; see  ex-) + forzare, to force (from Vulgar Latin *fortiāre, from Latin fortis, strong; see  fortis).]

(From The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition (at dictionary.com).)

While a multitude of words passed into English from Old French following the Norman invasion, Italian evolved directly from local varieties of Vulgar Latin.  "Force" is derived from Old French; sforzando, like much of classical music's technical vocabulary, is a loanword directly from Italian.
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Re: origin of sforzando
Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 07:37:15 PM
That's the etymology of "force," not sforzando.

French isn't an element in the etymology of the modern Italian word sforzando:

(From The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition (at dictionary.com).)

While a multitude of words passed into English from Old French following the Norman invasion, Italian evolved directly from local varieties of Vulgar Latin.  "Force" is derived from Old French; sforzando, like much of classical music's technical vocabulary, is a loanword directly from Italian.

Uh.  That's what the internet told me.  Are you accusing the internet of being wrong?  Do you know how ludicrous that is?  The internet is always correct.
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Re: origin of sforzando
Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 08:42:38 PM
I was wondering where the concept came from. 

I still remember being surprised to hear how they invented the crescendo.
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Re: origin of sforzando
Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 09:16:52 PM
I have been taught that u dont need force to play loud :-\. All u need to do is to is press the key faster. but sforzando calls for force :)
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