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Why do so many think the Schumann concerto sucks?
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Re: Why do so many think the Schumann concerto sucks?
Reply #150 on: June 30, 2015, 08:30:58 PM
A proper romantic concerto. Stenhammer knows how to let his imagination soar.
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Re: Why do so many think the Schumann concerto sucks?
Reply #151 on: June 30, 2015, 08:48:13 PM
The Schumann concerto is the apotheosis of
petit bourgeois
banality, and if piano playing was always just more of the same, I'd take up a really interesting hobby like watching paint dry or darning socks.
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Re: Why do so many think the Schumann concerto sucks?
Reply #152 on: June 30, 2015, 09:02:59 PM
Well said that man.
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Re: Why do so many think the Schumann concerto sucks?
Reply #153 on: June 30, 2015, 10:26:53 PM
https://books.google.com/books?id=7nDFAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=Romantic+Music+period,+bourgeoise&source=bl&ots=BjK6UjYfKm&sig=-NUZteNn9Kv7i3FFwEj2HNhIqc4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0hOTVa67NIncsAXUwL6ICg&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Romantic%20Music%20period%2C%20bourgeoise&f=false
It was thru the bourgeoise that this music - of the Whole romantic movement - was born… The luxurious dream, however, cannot be separated from the possibility of 'the banal' in any of that repertoire… (and i don't think that that is necessarily a bad thing… ) So why then, split hairs (!) and make Schumann the sacrificial lamb? (btw, i do believe Schumann has a few moments in that concerto of exquisite beauty…. 1st mov't. , in a development section, where the harp like arpeggios accompany the woodwinds.. )
(i am picking up a certain sense of sour grapes on this one…)
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Re: Why do so many think the Schumann concerto sucks?
Reply #154 on: June 30, 2015, 10:45:29 PM
I did specify
petit
bourgeois
On a serious note, I'd like to pose a question.
IF it is the case, as is often stated with Schumann and Mozart, that it is great music, but it takes a "special artist" to bring out its greatness, then why, when a different "special artist" - say Katsaris or Wild - makes something magical out of, for example, certain pieces of salon music, is the converse argument deployed i.e. it was a great performance making something out of mediocre material?
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Re: Why do so many think the Schumann concerto sucks?
Reply #155 on: June 30, 2015, 11:10:52 PM
It seems we are mixing 'performance' with the value judgment of a composition… This is inevitably a messy equation…. To me there is only One composer that consistently defies mediocrity : Bach . (though there is nothing wrong with a little bacon grease for a smoother ride
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Re: Why do so many think the Schumann concerto sucks?
Reply #156 on: July 01, 2015, 01:37:12 AM
"is the converse argument deployed"… Yes. They can't have it both ways.. I agree.
(wish i could now modify part of my previous post…. perhaps more like: "There are but few composers who defy mediocrity consistently, and of whom, Bach is certainly in the running."
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