A VERY serious subject

[redragon]

Who's your favorite Star Trek captain, Kirk or Picard?

My vote's on Kirk.

[littletune]

Well I haven't seen very much Star Treks with captain Kirk, but I've watched a lot with captain Picard... and a lot of times I imagined that I was travelling on the Enterpise with them so they are all kinda like my friends so I guess I'd vote for Picard

(but otherwise I think I like Data the most )

[thalbergmad]

I think Picard was excellent, but my vote would have to be for Kirk.

Thal

[ahinton]

I understand that Star Trek was a great favourite of the British soon-to-be-ex-Prime-MonsterMinister Brown; he had the idea at the commencement of his chancellorship of the British Exchequer way back in 1997 and thought to himself "start wreck" - and so he did, consistently, diligently and to an unprecedented degree for an entire decade until finally receiving the ultimate reward for his pains in the form of the Prime Ministership.

That's a VERY serious subject, especially if you're a British citizen.

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Brown finally signed his own death warrant yesterday.

We have absolute proof of the contempt he has for the British people.

Thal

[gep]

Brown finally signed his own death warrant yesterday.

We have absolute proof of the contempt he has for the British people.

Thal

I heard something about that yes. Nasty things, microphones... If there's one thing politicians don't like it's quotation with a vengance.
How's Brown doing with the Pope btw? I heard there was an alternative agenda for the Holy Pedera Father (opening an abortion clinic, presentation of a Papal Condom and the blessing of a gay marriage) that circulated widely among the departements but, if I'm right, "The Foreign Office spokesman said no ministers had been shown the document and it was withdrawn when senior officials became aware of it." (Reuters).  Perhaps someone had another mike and/or videocam at the right place at the right time?

The hear the candidate for the Liberal Democrats (?) is partly of Dutch descent. So that you are warned....

I think Kirk and Picard were quite equal, actually. My opinion only, of course.

gep

[ahinton]

Brown finally signed his own death warrant yesterday.

Possibly - although these things (remember Jennifer's ear?) have a charming habit of blowing over as soon as some other attention-grabbing news item takes their place and the public is, after all, told (albeit subliminally) to have short memories; let's face it, the replacement in this case is all too easy to detect and a good deal more serious than a fulsome and lengthy apology from a Prime Minister who is himself an apology for a Prime Minister (at least for the next 7 days) - and it is perhaps best summarised with the warning "beware of Greeks soliciting gifts". As to Broon "signing his own death warrant", that's arguably his prerogative, I suppose, but it remains something of a pity that he signed all of ours first.

We have absolute proof of the contempt he has for the British people.

And a substantial swathe of his opponents and colleagues hasn't?...

Best,

Alistair

[gep]

Quote from: thalbergmad on Today at 07:24:59 AM
We have absolute proof of the contempt he has for the British people.

And a substantial swathe of his opponents and colleagues hasn't?...

Best,

Alistair

There are politicians who have the people's interest at heart.
There are also lawyers who have justice at heart, salesmen who have the customer's interests at heart, and honest bankers. You just do not meet them every day...

All that said, if one were to replace any minister, prime or otherwise, by a randomly chosen average man/woman of the street, how much chance would there be on an improvement?

gep

[dss62467]

Picard - by far.

[stevebob]

Is the Star Trek contest a referendum on the actors who played Kirk and Picard?  I guess one might be thinking strictly in terms of the characters, but they seem to me to be inseparable from the men who played them.

[dss62467]

Is the Star Trek contest a referendum on the actors who played Kirk and Picard?  I guess one might be thinking strictly in terms of the characters, but they seem to me to be inseparable from the men who played them.

No Steve - Patrick Stewart is actually a pretty silly man.  Not at all serious like Picard.   And I've heard that Shatner is a bit of a tool.

[prometheus]

Star Trek was very very bad until TNG and then it slowly went downhill.

Let's not forget that despite the genius some TNG episodes, all Star Trek movies are bad. Some are entertaining but most only because they are Star Trek.

Especially the last one. Worst movie ever. It's Star Trek for people who hate Star Trek but with the recycled plot of a recycled Star Trek plot that was already silly to begin with. (2009 ripping off Nemesis ripping off Wrath of Khan). 2009 was the worst plot writing I have ever seen in hollywood. And they are very very bad. Many high school kid writes better plots, seriously. Plus the camera work and dialog are as bad as I have ever seen as well.

Star Trek is completely dead. People no longer view technology positively and all the philosophy was done already.

[furtwaengler]

I don't know if this evidences anything...but I'm getting near 30, am American...and have NEVER seen an episode of Star Trek. 

[birba]

I don't know if this evidences anything...but I'm getting near 30, am American...and have NEVER seen an episode of Star Trek. 

Maybe it's your name, but I would have guessed you to be near 45.  I don't even know if you're a man or a woman.  Funny about these web-site things.  You sort of get to know the person exclusively on their nickname and what they talk about.

[stevebob]

Star Trek was very very bad until TNG and then it slowly went downhill.

Let's not forget that despite the genius some TNG episodes, all Star Trek movies are bad. Some are entertaining but most only because they are Star Trek....

So TNG was beyond bad, yet some episodes were genius.  And all Star Trek movies are bad, yet some are entertaining because they are Star Trek.  But Star Trek is very very bad.

It's all so confusing.   

[birba]

Better than "Forbidden Planet", the mother of all mothers.

[prometheus]

So TNG was beyond bad, yet some episodes were genius.  And all Star Trek movies are bad, yet some are entertaining because they are Star Trek.  But Star Trek is very very bad.

It's all so confusing.  

Maybe it will help to read more carefully and not reinterpret what I said. Apparently you don't know that the first season of TOS was extremely cheesy and had very low  ratings. It was almost canceled in the second season and then canceled in the third.

Then they decided to revive it after the success of other SF in general. They made a movie. It didn't do as well as hoped but enough to make a sequel. They made a whole bunch of movies that were popular enough. These movies are typical Hollywood movies. They received mixed reviews.

So then they made TNG episodes. Now these episodes are something else. The first ones started off kind of bad and silly, like the one where everyone goes into a sex frenzy. But once the good ones start you can't even compare it to what the movies did. It is something totally different. They ar extremely low action oriented, based on dialog, plot, exploring interesting ideas. They are about philosophy and morality. This is by far the highest rated ST series and received several awards like Emmy's. This is the big success of Star Trek. They made movies basedo n TNG but Picard in the movies is like the opposite of Picard in the series. These movies have even lower rankings then the TOS movies.

Then come DS9 and Voyager. You can compare them with TNG but they are just not as good in all aspects. Therefore the series slowly went downhill.

Very bad movies van still be entertaining. You want to see a TNG movie because it is based on the series and finish it no matter how silly the plot or bad the acting. And they can still have entertaining moments.

So yeah TOS series I would rate 5.6. Movies TOS I would rate 6.8 for the good ones and 5.6 for the bad ones. TNG I would rate 8.8 with up to 9.8 for the best episodes. TNG movies I would rate 5.5. DS9 and Voyager I would rate 7.5. Enterprise I would rate 6.0. The 2009 movie I rate 2.2.

[stevebob]

Maybe it will help to read more carefully and not reinterpret what I said. Apparently you don't know ....

Maybe it will help to think more critically before posting contradictions and non-sequiturs.  Apparently you didn't realize that, but don't blame me for pointing it out.

[pianowolfi]

I don't know if this evidences anything...but I'm getting near 30, am American...and have NEVER seen an episode of Star Trek.  

I have seen some but I don't remember much of it. The warp drive and "beam me up Scotty"( a phrase which has in all probability never been said in the series)

[prometheus]

Maybe it will help to think more critically before posting contradictions and non-sequiturs.  Apparently you didn't realize that, but don't blame me for pointing it out.

Dude, I just basically proved you were being silly and instead of backing off you make it worse.
Not only do you not know how to spell non-sequitur, even worse you don't seem to know what it means.

Now you can blame me for being ambiguous enough so that what I meant was not clear to those completely ignorant about Star Trek. But certainly not much more than that.

I never said what you claim I did in the first place. And even if I did say "TNG is beyond bad, yet some episodes are genius" that isn't even a contradiction.

[stevebob]

Dude, I just basically proved you were being silly and instead of backing off you make it worse.
Not only do you not know how to spell non-sequitur, even worse you don't seem to know what it means.

Now you can blame me for being ambiguous enough so that what I meant was not clear to those completely ignorant about Star Trek. But certainly not much more than that.

I never said what you claim I did in the first place. And even if I did say "TNG is beyond bad, yet some episodes are genius" that isn't even a contradiction.

Q.E.D.  One might expect more from a self-proclaimed Prometheus, but there you have it.  The incongruity between what you know and what you think you know is such that you fail even to identify a misspelling correctly.

And by the way, I think the person who started this thread and named it "A VERY serious subject" was being ironic.  It really isn't, so chill ... dude.   

[prometheus]

Well, better a nice and smart person that likes Star Trek then an *** and idiot that doesn't.

You can still apologize, you know, kiddo.

[stevebob]

Well, better a nice and smart person that likes Star Trek then [sic] an *** and idiot that doesn't.

You got that right, but don't be so hard on yourself!

You can still apologist, you know, kiddo.

Huh?

[prometheus]

Ok I am reporting you. Bye bye forever.

[stevebob]

Better than "Forbidden Planet", the mother of all mothers.

For some reason, that reminds me of Colossus:  The Forbin Project, a 1970 film about a supercomputer gone amok.  Anybody else remember it?

A lot of people thought there was a typo in the title, and apparently many still do; a Google search for "Colossus:  The Forbidden Project" gets nearly 2,000 hits. 

[biscuitroxy12]

Call me  crazy, but I don't like any of those.

[lucylucy]

as a matter of fact, this subject is REALLY serious

[stevebob]

Nah, not a matter of fact—just a matter of opinion.