Piano Forum

Topic: Playing without thinking  (Read 3739 times)

Offline faa2010

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 563
Playing without thinking
on: May 02, 2010, 05:15:42 PM
When you play a piece, do you do it automatically without thinking in the notes or the music sheet?

I mean, is there a time when you automatically remember only the fingering and how it should sound? And then, your mind is in other things.

Offline keyboardclass

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2009
Re: Playing without thinking
Reply #1 on: May 02, 2010, 08:17:51 PM
We call that 'a waste of time' in the teaching business.

Offline nystul

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 270
Re: Playing without thinking
Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 09:44:18 PM
If by "other things" you mean focusing on the phrasing, rubato, interpretations, etc. sure.  At some point you should know a song well enough where hitting the right note with the right finger is no longer an issue.  If you mean playing a piece by finger memory while you are thinking about what you will have for dinner tonight, that is probably not very useful (except as dinner preparation).

Offline dss62467

  • PS Silver Member
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 195
Re: Playing without thinking
Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 12:34:45 PM
Only when I know the piece as well as my route to work.  Takes time.  Actually, no... the "mechanics" of the piece come somewhat quickly, I'd say, it's the rest that takes time. 
Currently learning:
Chopin Prelude Op. 28, no. 15
Schubert Sonata in A Major, D.959: Allegretto

Offline faa2010

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 563
Re: Playing without thinking
Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 12:50:56 AM
I think moreless the same.

I was thinking it like when you start to drive a standard or when you start to ride a bike.

First, you think in the basic "mechanics": you have to play this note with that or those fingers, this part has to sound allegretto, andante, vivace or lento, while you play this chord with the left hand, the right hand has to play this part, etc.

As time goes by, and due to practice and memorization, you can play it without thinking about those "mechanics" too much, it's like if you play it uncounsciously.

Only that there would be two inconvenients:
- Mental gaps
- If you play wrong one note, your world falls apart and you have to retake the piece from a point.

But I think there are solutions for them.

Offline keyboardclass

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2009
Re: Playing without thinking
Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 05:40:53 AM
Only that there would be two inconvenients:
- Mental gaps
- If you play wrong one note, your world falls apart and you have to retake the piece from a point.
Yes, that's the pitfall of muscle memory (which is what I think we're talking about).

Offline nanabush

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2081
Re: Playing without thinking
Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 06:24:58 AM
Sometimes that's the only way I can play a Bach piece without messing up.  I'm paying attention to the harmonies and musicality when playing a fugue for example, but if I stare at my fingers and anticipate every single note I want to play, I'll definitely screw up.  It's good while learning the piece to know all of the musical lines, but if you are trying to keep a tab on four or five completely different lines of music and constantly over-think when you perform it, at least for me, that would be totally confusing.

You need a bit of both - the comfort to play a passage knowing which notes you are playing, and the ability to listen to more than the individual notes.

Interested in discussing:

-Prokofiev Toccata
-Scriabin Sonata 2
For more information about this topic, click search below!

Piano Street Magazine:
A Sudden Chat with Paul Lewis about Beethoven & Schubert

Substituting for the suddenly indisposed Janine Jensen, pianist Paul Lewis shares his ideas on his global Schubert project, classical repertoire focus and views on titans Beethoven vs. Schubert. Read more
 

Logo light pianostreet.com - the website for classical pianists, piano teachers, students and piano music enthusiasts.

Subscribe for unlimited access

Sign up

Follow us

Piano Street Digicert