Your Honnest Opinion - Revolution in piano teaching!

[honeywill]

i aint a believer in fingerings. there is more to piano playing than just fingers and hands.

Yes, there is more to it, much more. However, you need the basics in place ie fingering and hand position and so on, before you can become an effective pianist, whatever genre you are interested in. No professional pianist or teacher will take you seriously if you display this sort of lazy attitude.

[pianowolfi]

y would that make u happy? lol

ya. i aint a believer in fingerings. there is more to piano playing than just fingers and hands.

there is this unknown element which we r all strivin towards.

And you are avoiding the known elements to strive directly towards the unknown ones?
That's commonly called laziness or ignorance. Or both.
Well good luck!

 

[goldentone]

To be fair, Wolfi, that may be more Schirmer's fault than his.  

[pianowolfi]

To be fair, Wolfi, that may be more Schirmer's fault than his.  

hehe  Henle is also quite painful at this 

[gyzzzmo]

y would that make u happy? lol

ya. i aint a believer in fingerings. there is more to piano playing than just fingers and hands.

there is this unknown element which we r all strivin towards.

Agreed, i also must notice that my elbowing technique is highly undeveloped. And nosing la campanella still gives me a slight headache.

[pianissimo123]

PiaNIstEN - I tHInk it's tiME to BUy a NeW keYBoaRD!!

I practically died laughing when I read this!!!~  You totally just made my day....   

[gene2701]

u guys seriously dont get it dont u...

y bother abt the fingering when the chord itself has already given u the 'hint' to the fingering?...zz

fingering is important but also not so important once u hv understood this simple fact/rule of music.

[perfect_pitch]

u guys seriously dont get it dont u...

y bother abt the fingering when the chord itself has already given u the 'hint' to the fingering?...zz

fingering is important but also not so important once u hv understood this simple fact/rule of music.

W T F???

Are you still here???

[gene2701]

yes i m.

i m being very sincere abt what i said. believe or not, its up to u guys.

but its really true.. all the masters i had classes who, honestly, all they really do speak abt, is the music itself, the sound in itself. thats all.

thats the ultimate key to technique, musicality, artistry. (in my pov that is)...

[pianist1976]

yes i m.

i m being very sincere abt what i said. believe or not, its up to u guys. [... blah, blah... ]
thats the ultimate key to technique, musicality, artistry. (in my pov that is)...

No offense but this is you:

Wanna be treated like an adult? Just start acting (and maybe writing...) like a grown person

[gene2701]

its ok. i m used to it.

wish u well though..

[pianisten1989]

Well, "the masters" doesn't normally teach ppl who hasn't got a clue about how to play the piano...

[gene2701]

so what r u trying to say? i honestly still dont quite get what ur driving at?..

[pianisten1989]

Then it's probably not worth it, and I need to start practising.

Still... Ok, short version:
If you're a beginner, you need fingerings. You can't put your fingers all over the keyboard, and hope it's the best way.
He even play plenty of wrong notes.

On a masterclass, or whatever, you most of the times know the piece pretty well, and doesn't need any new fingering. Therefore the teacher doesn't have to tell you what fingers to use, and therefore can focus on the music itself.

[gyzzzmo]

yes i m.

i m being very sincere abt what i said. believe or not, its up to u guys.

but its really true.. all the masters i had classes who, honestly, all they really do speak abt, is the music itself, the sound in itself. thats all.

thats the ultimate key to technique, musicality, artistry. (in my pov that is)...

That is because in masterclasses you dont spend time on something superficial like fingering or even technique, because that is something any teacher can learn you and would be a waste of time on a masterclass.

And ofcourse the 'music' and 'sound' is the ultimate goal of a piece, but the only way of achieving that is by havinga good technique and thus also fingering to be able to produce the right 'sound'.

[gene2701]

forgive me then...because i began my 'basics' with sound...thats how i hv been doing it all along...yup...

fingerings hv to be 'self invented'...or probably because its an 'expected element'.

sorry.

[squigly]

The music sheets the site provides are not the official ones nor are the pieces-songs (call it whatever you like) played. Is it illegal to upload your personal "cover" of a song-piece since it is for free? Same thing is happening in youtube but none mentioned it. I would like to see evidence instead of "You know i don't like it, (he obviously won't know the law restrictions) it's illegal so stop it." behaviors. Thats for the copyright section.

I totally disagree that it is some kind of "teaching" and i think it is posted at wrong section. This website does not teach you, unless showing the construction of the chords (not fingering etc. included) is considered teaching. It simply gives you a visual clue of how the piece-song can be (badly) played and give you the sheet (mostly beginner level) and lyrics to learn it yourself.

I give the site thumbs up. I have abandoned playing piano (was playing for 2 years) 4 years ago and a recent try to start over again failed. I prefer to take a piece-song that i like for ex. a Chopin etude and struggle to learn it, than learn hundreds of technical pieces, which most of them i won't like, to be able to learn fairly easily the deserved piece-song in a couple of years. Not to mention the money spent on lessons (i know it hurts for you but thats the truth).

Someone who hasn't good piano skills (beginner) and wants to learn to play his desired song-pieces will find a very helpful website.
Someone who wants good fingering, proper technique and metronome like beat or whatever, better search for something else.

The site does almost what it says: "There are millions of pianists out there that took theoretical lessons when they were young, and are looking for a cool new way to learn how to play their favorite songs without paying a lot of money for teachers.
We have created the perfect tool for Pianists of all levels, encompassing the biggest index of piano tutorials, all animated, classified according to your favorite artists, proffered music genre or playing level"

almost...: "OnlinePianist was born out of the ever increasing need for free online piano lessons and tutorials."

For clarification, i have read all the previous messages and know what to expect compared to the author of this thread, i have no more further benefit/connection from/to the site than that as a simple internet user.

onlinepianist you did a good job!  

P.s. Excuse my long post!

[Bob]

I wonder if these online packages help a student in the long run.

Say someone does teach themselves to play piano a little bit.  But after the program is over, what then?  I wonder if they'd be more likely to give it up, whereas with a teacher they might continue on.

[squigly]

I wonder if these online packages help a student in the long run. ... But after the program is over, what then?

After the "program" is over they proceed to more advanced music sheet that provides better and more complete music experience.

There is someone who likes to listen for ex. pop music and want to play-sing the music too. I don't think that starting piano lessons and playing Czerny will fascinate him. In fact i like classical music and still could not bear some of the pieces my teacher was giving me. Think about having to play over and over again a piece you dislike.

A revolutionary teaching method as at the start of the topic was mentioned would be to transfer the classical style of teaching to new genres of music. Why should someone who likes anything else than classic, learn to play through the classical method?

[Bob]

I don't think there's any beginning Czerny.  Is there?

I have thought several times that classical music much be easier than pop or jazz.  Rhythm is more basic.  Chords are more basic -- It's easier to learn that then a pop or jazz piece that already swings and has extended chords.

[squigly]

The truth is that i had some experience and told my teacher that i want to improve rapidly. Thats the reason she gave me Czerny. It was an example.R

emember that we are talking about grown up people and i don't think they have the same patience and time to start as a child-teen would do. Add to that the fact they can learn at much higher speed than the ages around 15- so they wont have a really big problem to deal with the rythm chords or whatever.

That is my personal approach as a "sufferer" of that situation. I have to press my self much more to learn Czerny's pieces, etudes etc. than to struggle with a piece i like. With the classical method i am pleased when i finish the piece cause i am done with it. Learning the pieces-songs i like, i am pleased all the way.

[scottmcc]

I don't think there's any beginning Czerny.  Is there?

Op 599.  But it's actually relatively hard for a "beginner," at least in my opinion.

[sethro]

Hmm...sadly I have nothing positive to offer you. trying to teach music in the absence of any human interaction is, in my opinion doing a real injustice to your " students". The whole endeavor begins with a love of the feeling that hearing sounds created by a human being (through his instrument) gives us and trying to cultivate and encourage it in aothers. I know of no one that has ever claimed to have been moved emotionaly by sounds created (reproduced would be better) by technology. Is it the idea that you can recruit masses of students through the use of the internet driving this? I can only say that my love of music takes priority over my love of profiting from it somehow. sorry, yours is a soul-less pursuit of money through and through. You may be able to make some money with this idea, but you'll never enjoy the knowledge that you created a musician through interaction, conversation and cultivation of emotional playing  one on one with another living breathing human being. this is a good example of short sighted techno weenies dehumanizing the immature and naive student. sadly, there is an ass for every seat in this world. Who knows, maybe you will make millions. Not a dime from me though.