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Offline generatemusic

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Mixing 5th & flat 5th in chords?
on: June 30, 2010, 03:38:16 AM
Hi,
Are there any chords that mix/contain both the 5th with b5?
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Re: Mixing 5th & flat 5th in chords?
Reply #1 on: July 02, 2010, 04:57:10 AM
Can you be specific?  Do you mean like a C-E-Gb-G?  Wouldn't that end up translating to some form of inversion of the F#-A-C-E-G (without the A obviously)...

So in a hypothetical situation it could be a half diminished vii43 chord without the third?  I'm amusing myself trying to understand what you mean, and I ended up with that.  I tried avoiding having the same letter name twice.

If anyone follows me, or knows a more proper name for that, then please explain lol.
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Re: Mixing 5th & flat 5th in chords?
Reply #2 on: July 02, 2010, 05:09:26 AM
Can you be specific?  Do you mean like a C-E-Gb-G?  Wouldn't that end up translating to some form of inversion of the F#-A-C-E-G (without the A obviously)...

So in a hypothetical situation it could be a half diminished vii43 chord without the third?  I'm amusing myself trying to understand what you mean, and I ended up with that.  I tried avoiding having the same letter name twice.

If anyone follows me, or knows a more proper name for that, then please explain lol.

You mean a 7b5b9?
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Re: Mixing 5th & flat 5th in chords?
Reply #3 on: July 02, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Ya sorry I was really tired. Woke up and was like "wait, that's a 9th chord" lol.  ;)
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Re: Mixing 5th & flat 5th in chords?
Reply #4 on: July 03, 2010, 01:13:58 AM
Well, I guess a #11 chord would be what I was asking about.
I was really wondering about the left hand playing the root & 5th... and the right hand playing what would be the b5th... or whatever name it would be called in any situation.
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Re: Mixing 5th & flat 5th in chords?
Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 12:54:15 PM
Yes you would generally call the b5 a #11 so as to avoid confusion with the natural 5th. Root 5th in the bass is a perfectly legitimate voicing option as long as it's not too low. Common uses of a #11 would be in a major 7#11 chord (from lydian mode) or a dom 7#11 chord (from lydian dominant mode). Works less well over a minor 7 chord.
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