Piano Forum

Piano Street Magazine:
Watch the Chopin Competition 2025 with us!

Great news for anyone who loves Chopin’s music! Piano Street’s Chopin Competition tool now includes all 1,848 recorded performances from the Preliminary Round to Stage 3. Dive in and listen now! Read more

Topic: Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1  (Read 1861 times)

Offline franz_

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 817
Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1
on: August 13, 2010, 07:02:21 PM
Which one is technically the hardest for you?
Currently learing:
- Chopin: Ballade No.3
- Scriabin: Etude Op. 8 No. 2
- Rachmaninoff: Etude Op. 33 No. 6
- Bach: P&F No 21 WTC I

Offline chopianist123

  • PS Silver Member
  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 84
Re: Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1
Reply #1 on: August 13, 2010, 07:48:28 PM
Rach 2 is technically harder for me.

Offline franz_

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 817
Re: Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1
Reply #2 on: August 13, 2010, 07:51:04 PM
You played both? And where exactly?
The point is that Tchaikovsky is more transparant, so each mistake is clearly heard... no?
Currently learing:
- Chopin: Ballade No.3
- Scriabin: Etude Op. 8 No. 2
- Rachmaninoff: Etude Op. 33 No. 6
- Bach: P&F No 21 WTC I

Offline franz-liszt

  • PS Silver Member
  • Newbie
  • ***
  • Posts: 13
Re: Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1
Reply #3 on: August 13, 2010, 08:02:14 PM
I agree; Tchaikowsky's 1st is definately more transparent whereas Rachmaninoff's is more improvisitory; the mistakes usually blend better.
♫Lol it's 2008♫

Offline stevebob

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1133
Re: Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1
Reply #4 on: August 14, 2010, 01:14:56 AM
You played both? And where exactly?
The point is that Tchaikovsky is more transparant, so each mistake is clearly heard... no?

I wonder how anyone would know your point before it was made.

As to "where exactly" they were played, it goes without saying that not every participant on this board is a performing professional.  I think an amateur playing these concertos in his own living room accompanied by a Music Minus One CD has experience worth sharing.
What passes you ain't for you.

Offline franz_

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 817
Re: Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1
Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 08:12:48 AM
My question was not clear. When asked 'where', I wanted to ask where in the scores the technical difficulties are for the person who answered to me. Not in which hall or on which stage he played them.

As for a general conclusion to you guys: Rach 2 or Tchikovsky 1 ? :)
Currently learing:
- Chopin: Ballade No.3
- Scriabin: Etude Op. 8 No. 2
- Rachmaninoff: Etude Op. 33 No. 6
- Bach: P&F No 21 WTC I

Offline gyzzzmo

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2209
Re: Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1
Reply #6 on: August 15, 2010, 01:46:01 PM
rach 2
1+1=11

Offline thalbergmad

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 16743
Re: Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1
Reply #7 on: August 15, 2010, 03:40:40 PM
I think an amateur playing these concertos in his own living room accompanied by a Music Minus One CD has experience worth sharing.

My God, i agree with you ;D

Thal
Curator/Director
Concerto Preservation Society

Offline franz_

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 817
Re: Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1
Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 03:20:55 PM
Sooo, till now Rach 2 takes the lead in being the hardest...? :)
Currently learing:
- Chopin: Ballade No.3
- Scriabin: Etude Op. 8 No. 2
- Rachmaninoff: Etude Op. 33 No. 6
- Bach: P&F No 21 WTC I

Offline fbt

  • PS Silver Member
  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 64
Re: Rach 2 - Tchaikovsky 1
Reply #9 on: August 17, 2010, 02:51:16 PM
The question should be -which concerto is more aesthetically pleasing to me as a performer and which concerto will my talents best serve the composer's intentions. As far as which one is "harder" my humble opinion would be Tchaicovsky. Rach 2 was composed by a pianist who knew all the ins and outs of writing for the piano. Tchai's is a beautiful showcase for pianist and orchestra but not composed with the comfort of the pianist in mind. As someone else said it is more transparent and sometimes awkward.
People who make music together cannot be enemies,at least while the music last.
                                 Paul Hindemith
For more information about this topic, click search below!

Piano Street Magazine:
Enfant Terrible or Childishly Innocent? – Prokofiev’s Complete Piano Works Now on Piano Street

In our ongoing quest to provide you with a complete library of classical piano sheet music, the works of Sergey Prokofiev have been our most recent focus. As one of the most distinctive and original musical voices from the first half of the 20th century, Prokofiev has an obvious spot on the list of top piano composers. Welcome to the intense, humorous, and lyrical universe of his complete Sonatas, Concertos, character pieces, and transcriptions! Read more
 

Logo light pianostreet.com - the website for classical pianists, piano teachers, students and piano music enthusiasts.

Subscribe for unlimited access

Sign up

Follow us

Piano Street Digicert