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Offline mebearsoft

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on: August 20, 2010, 03:54:57 AM
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Offline perfect_pitch

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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #1 on: August 20, 2010, 04:42:01 AM
I'd say - Pathetique Sonata... you'd be very capable.

The Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2? The Friska section is pretty tough... I'd be pretty careful.
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Offline tds

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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #2 on: August 20, 2010, 05:09:23 AM
yes, people would think that if have played the moonlight sonata, you should be able to play the pathetique sonata. perhaps so, but i would also like to share what i've personally encountered: out of countless performances of the pathetique sonata given by students that i've heard, no one, i repeat, no one has impressed me. every single performer has been short of something, be that the incorrect rhythm in the opening, technical flaws in 1st n 3rd movement, or the lack of maturity and involvement in the second movement. of couse, i dont mean to say that you or any other students to that matter should avoid learning this sonata - just my honest way of saying "be extra careful" if you decided to learn this sonata. all the best, tds
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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #3 on: August 20, 2010, 09:42:40 AM
Pathetique is easier than Moonlight.
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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #4 on: August 20, 2010, 04:15:37 PM
Pathetique is not technically difficult. It is a piece that many people would have to study, which would actually make it incorrect to say that it is overplayed. Though, I personally had a difficult time in appreciating.
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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #5 on: August 24, 2010, 10:15:18 PM
thx for some interesting replies
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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #6 on: August 25, 2010, 04:04:25 PM
You learned those pieces and you're worried about this sonata? Why?
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Offline lovettmusic

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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #7 on: August 25, 2010, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: lostinidlewonder on August 20, 2010, 09:42:40 AM
Pathetique is easier than Moonlight.

I don't know if I'd agree with that. I'm in the process of polishing up my Pathetique, and I'm constantly tripping over my fingers, especially on the first movement. Then again, I am still recovering from a broken right hand...
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Offline wert718

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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #8 on: August 26, 2010, 02:03:16 PM
IMO, the Pathetique is very easy. Hungarian Raphsody? It took me two and a half months.
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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #9 on: August 26, 2010, 05:36:21 PM
hello
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Offline harmonica

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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #10 on: August 31, 2010, 12:06:23 AM
The "Pathetique" was my first Beethoven sonata. I fell in love with it after listening to Artur Rubinstein's warm rendition. Every movement seemed full of music to me, and ended far too soon. It's an excellent piece to follow the "moonlight." Remember your'e not just learning a composition, but welcoming a great thought into your soul which will grow there for the rest of your life. You will be acquiring a jewel that, through continuous playing, will slowly become clearer and more precious. After playing the "Pathetique" for more than 50 years I still find new music in it. It is a fine piece to meet at an early age and grow with. Learn to love the piece and the technique will develop.
The Second Hungarian Rhapsody involves many problems which must be approached individually.Practice and learn the hard parts first and it will be easier to eventually fit them into the piece's structure. It's such a delightful piece that practice can be joyful experience. Be patient and stay relaxed. Good Luck
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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #11 on: September 09, 2010, 10:13:05 PM
Pathetique is easier than movement 3 of Moonlight Sonata - but certainly not
easier than movement 1.
Maybe for you - but I think that's unique.
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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #12 on: September 09, 2010, 10:28:43 PM
Of course pathetique sonata it's easy. It's very easy... to be very badly played... I'd not understimate it's difficulty. As Rosen said, it's an all times classic for amateur pianists almost since the day it was published. 200 years (bad) overplayed...

I agree with TDS. Pathetique sonata = deceptively easy.
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Offline ask_why

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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #13 on: September 10, 2010, 05:14:43 PM
Quote from: keyofc on September 09, 2010, 10:13:05 PM
Pathetique is easier than movement 3 of Moonlight Sonata - but certainly not
easier than movement 1.
Maybe for you - but I think that's unique.
Pretty much.

Mov. 1 of Pathetique is the most difficult of the 3
Mov. 1 of Moonlight Sonata is the easiest of the 3
I'd say those movements are somewhat comparable, with the slight edge in difficulty going to moonlight sonata.
Contentious piano snobs will beg to differ just for the sake of argument...

If I had to estimate, the hardest movement of each sonata probably took me about 2 months practicing for roughly 1 hour per day -- so about 60 hours total (30 learning the notes/memorizing and 30 correcting the dynamics).

You should be able to learn them in about half that time if you've actually had any decent formal training (which I didn't).
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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #14 on: September 11, 2010, 09:43:36 PM
Quote from: harmonica on August 31, 2010, 12:06:23 AM
Remember your'e not just learning a composition, but welcoming a great thought into your soul which will grow there for the rest of your life. You will be acquiring a jewel that, through continuous playing, will slowly become clearer and more precious.


Wow.  Well said!
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Offline magio

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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #15 on: September 12, 2010, 08:05:30 AM
It's one of my favourite pieces of music ever! :)
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Re: Who has learned Beethoven "Pathetique" sonata?
Reply #16 on: September 13, 2010, 03:33:10 PM
I am digitalizing all the LPs I own and recently played Horowitz's version. I though it was one of the clearest, most dynamic and sensitive versions around. Many of the others seem boring, wimpy, straightforward, safe, dull and routine but "beautiful" and "classical." Does anyone share my enthusiasm for this artist that has his own unique forceful personality?
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