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Offline assutu

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need help: playing notes widely spaced apart
on: October 09, 2010, 09:27:19 PM
Hi

can someone explain how one would play page 2 bar 22 of this piece?

https://sebastianwolff.info/download/inception/inception-time.pdf

if im reading it correctly, the first part on the right hand side is difficult to play as i cannot reach all those notes at the same time. How would one play that :o

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Re: need help: playing notes widely spaced apart
Reply #1 on: October 09, 2010, 10:16:05 PM
It's a tenth, G to B.  Not impossible for everyone.  That's a stretch for me too.

There are more threads but...

Over a long time, you could stretch you hand out a bit.  I've tried doing that and ninths are much easier -- I would be fine performing any ninth.  I think 10ths are my limit though.  Not everyone would agree, but my hands seem to 'grow' back into a smaller size if I don't practice octaves and that makes sense to me.  There is a limit though for pushing and apparently how far they can be pushed.

More standard ideas...

You can roll the chord.

You can play the lower note as a grace note and jump to the upper part of the chord.  Same idea as rolling.

You can rewrite it and put all the notes in or leave some out.  Not great for a standard piece, but pros will still do that even with the best composers.  The important thing is to keep the character and style.  Not all the notes are as important.  Even if it really is an important note, not everyone will notice one note that's left out.  Not all the time.

This look like some kind of arrangement.  ??  Possibly.  Or maybe the composer wasn't quite writing nicely for piano.  Looks like an e minor chord and that G3 looks like it's in the melody.  Leaving out inner notes is easier.  This looks trickier than I thought.  I'm not at a piano now to mess with it....  The upper RH notes look consistent, those whole notes.  I'm thinking maybe you could get away with making that a G instead of a B, although that makes parallel octaves.... It would be tough to do anything wih the LH?... Or not... Here's an idea -- At least for me 10ths are easier with my LH.  Maybe leave out the upper E in the LH and play that melody G with the LH.  That's still a tenth though.  Yeah, I might try that first.  Then see how altering the upper B to a G sounds.  Then maybe leave out that upper B entirely.  I see the tempo is pretty slow, quarter = 64.  You might mess around with some grace note stuff, like playing the low E as a grace note and jumping up to the G with the LH.  And sometimes if nothing else works -- putting a grace note in might sound awkward -- You just have to leave it sounding a little awkward.  It might be a decision of two bad sounding choices -- a grace note in the middle of the piece in the LH when nothing else is in the piece has a grace note vs. leaving out that top B and possibly breaking up the flow of those upper RH notes.  And if you're stuck with it being awkward sounding, you can also try to hide it a bit by emphasizing other notes or playing those notes softer.  I don't like doing that because it messes with the 'purity' of your interpretation but whatever.  Sometimes you're stuck.  I suppose you could just not play the piece too.  Or you could say the composer didn't write it well, but I don't think a tenth is impossible for everyone.  Luckily they're white keys -- You might be able to do something with planting a digit down and really stretching out the hand where one digit is barely hanging onto a key so the other can hit the right note.  That's not comfortable but if it's a slow piece maybe it would work.

Interesting situation.  I hate when that stuff comes up though if there really isn't a good answer.
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Re: need help: playing notes widely spaced apart
Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 10:24:18 PM
I actually can play it, though uncomfortably.

Personally, I would play the G on the beat so I could keep the middle voice, that strikes me as being more important than the chord.
Then I would play the upper chord in the background immediately after the G.

Bob already gave you plenty of other suggestions, it's pretty much a matter of trying them and seeing which feels better to you.
I am perfectly normal, it is everyone else who is strange.

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Re: need help: playing notes widely spaced apart
Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 11:50:51 PM
thanks guys for the tips i will test out the tricks listed

upon further inspection, 10ths are out of the question for my fat hands
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