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Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it (Read 1726 times)

Offline kristinazx

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Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
« on: November 06, 2010, 07:26:28 PM »
What in a case, when right hand needs to hold one tone, for instance we have half note on C and in the same time left hand have 4 quarter notes and one of them is C. How we play it, if we are holding with a right hand that C? Or we dont play it?

Does anybody know this?


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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #1 on: November 06, 2010, 08:22:25 PM »
Oh, do we ever!  Happens all the time.  But it all depends on the circumstances and what's going on when this happens.  LIke, if it's Bach, it probably means the music was intended for a two keyboard harpsichord and you give priority to one of the voices.  Or if it's from the romantic repertoire, the composer wasn't bothering with insignificant details like that, and you worked it out with appropriate pedaling.  Just what music are you referring to?

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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #2 on: November 06, 2010, 09:27:29 PM »
Oh, do we ever!  Happens all the time.  But it all depends on the circumstances and what's going on when this happens.  LIke, if it's Bach, it probably means the music was intended for a two keyboard harpsichord and you give priority to one of the voices.  Or if it's from the romantic repertoire, the composer wasn't bothering with insignificant details like that, and you worked it out with appropriate pedaling.  Just what music are you referring to?
Scriabin Etude Op 8 No 12. On the 1.st page, there are all over that kind of examples. Left hand is important, so dont know, if I execute or not that kind of tones.



I will scan tomorrow 1 st page and put it here!

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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #3 on: November 07, 2010, 01:21:49 AM »
Here's a recent thread about this issue:

Same note in left and right hand?
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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #4 on: November 07, 2010, 07:33:36 AM »
That's an example of how the pedal takes care of it all.  The right hand plays the chord with the pedal, releases the a# or whatever it is and the left hand thumb replays the note.  It's a beautiful sonorous effect if you slightly accent that second note.

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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #5 on: November 07, 2010, 11:29:52 AM »
Scriabin Etude Op 8 No 12. On the 1.st page, there are all over that kind of examples. Left hand is important, so dont know, if I execute or not that kind of tones.

Of course you need to play both. They are on different layers which you need to discern dynamically.
But of course (as so often in Scriabin) doing them with the right hand would sometimes be easier. I admit that I did this often in comparable cases.

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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #6 on: November 07, 2010, 01:26:11 PM »
Don't we all... But I found that out for myself, so I expected kristenazx to do the same!   ;D  Like one of those subjects, things you do but never suggest.  8)

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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #7 on: November 07, 2010, 10:41:29 PM »
Sorry, but for some reason, I cannot scan that page. Cannot find Scanings. Weird..

So, if I understood correctly, I must play with my left hand all notes, even my right is holding it? I carefully leave left hand to play that note and put again with right finger on that note?

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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #8 on: November 08, 2010, 07:35:01 AM »
NO!  If we're talking about the same passage - it happens first in the 2nd full measure.  The right hand plays a triad of e# - a#- e#.  On the second beat, in the left hand, the second eighth note is a repetition of the a# the r.h. played before.  play it and forget about it.  There's tons of pedal and the right hand repeat the a# in the next two chords.  This is just an example.  Some pianists might play that second a# with the r.h. to avoid the enormous stretch in the left hand. 
I don't understand why you would want to hold that a# down just because it's represented by a half note.  The pedal sustains it.
All this, of course, IF we're talking about the same place.

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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #9 on: November 08, 2010, 10:48:04 AM »
NO!  If we're talking about the same passage - it happens first in the 2nd full measure.  The right hand plays a triad of e# - a#- e#.  On the second beat, in the left hand, the second eighth note is a repetition of the a# the r.h. played before.  play it and forget about it.  There's tons of pedal and the right hand repeat the a# in the next two chords.  This is just an example.  Some pianists might play that second a# with the r.h. to avoid the enormous stretch in the left hand. 
I don't understand why you would want to hold that a# down just because it's represented by a half note.  The pedal sustains it.
All this, of course, IF we're talking about the same place.

Still, the principle still holds true regardless of the passage.

Maybe it's worth pointing out that a note's value isn't always a literal direction physically to hold the key down for that duration; it might instead be assumed that pedaling will sustain the note.  Manner of execution depends on the period, the style and the composer, and exposure to music of diverse eras should result in a keener sense of what's called for.
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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #10 on: November 08, 2010, 02:47:26 PM »
I have finally managed to find scanings. It was this page. You can see that in the 2 nd tact. 5 the note.

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Re: Holding one tone and in the same time other hand is playing it
«Reply #11 on: November 08, 2010, 03:04:35 PM »
Exactly what I tried to explain.  Do you get it?