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Topic: Can anyone suggest "advanced" pieces in which all notes are of the same duration  (Read 1718 times)

Offline aintgotnorhythm

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I am looking for pieces to play such as Chopin's Etude in C Major (Opus 10 No 1) or Shostakovich's Prelude 21 (Opus 87), or at a stretch Rachmaninov's Prelude in C# minor (Opus 3 No 2). In short, pieces without rests, dotted notes, quavers in one hand and triplets in the other, etc.

I have been playing a couple of hours a day for years and can handle the notes but have always struggled with my lack of rhythm. Now I am in my forties I have decided to restrict myself to pieces such as the awesome Chopin/Shostakovich pieces above that present no problems for the rhythmically challenged. I would really appreciate any suggestions.

(This is my first post on the forum - my apologies if I am putting this in the wrong place).

Offline stevebob

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A number of Chopin’s Etudes and Preludes would satisfy your requirement.

Other pieces that come to mind:

Henselt:  some of the Etudes Op. 2 (notably No. 6, “Si Oiseau J’étais”)
Moscheles:  some of the Etudes Op. 70
Schumann:  Toccata Op. 7
Weber:  Rondo from Sonata Op. 24

I’m surprised at your decision to limit your repertoire rather than challenging your limitations.  (Personally, I would prefer to play a diversity of pieces even if the assistance of a metronome were required to maintain rhythmic accuracy.)  Please don’t take my observation as criticism; I know what we find valuable and satisfying in our musical practice is an individual matter.  :)
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I think there are some Alkan pieces (from memory: Le Vent, op 11/2  https://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/f/fc/IMSLP03086-Alkan_15_2.pdf, and the Etude Comme le Vent op. 39/1 https://216.129.110.22/files/imglnks/usimg/6/65/IMSLP02885-Alkan_-_Op._39__12_Etudes__1._Comme_Le_Vent1.pdf). There are some Sorabji Etudes and pieces that come to mind, but they are probably beyond advanced...

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Ravel's Toccata from 'Le Tombeau de Couperin'?

Offline kelly_kelly

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Surely you're not serious?! Have you seen a teacher? If you have the talent to gain the facility required for Chopin 10/1 and the other pieces you mentioned, I find it hard to believe that a good teacher wouldn't help you solve your problems. Honestly, I think this strategy is doomed because after a while you are likely to get bored of all these (generally) fast pieces with homogeneous rhythms.

That being said, you could try Chopin 25/1...
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Offline aintgotnorhythm

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Just to say thank you to everyone who has replied with suggestions to my original post, for some reason - probably because I am a "newbie" - I can't click yes to say the posts were useful. However, they are all very helpful and I now have my next year or more mapped out trying out some of the suggestions made! I also appreciate the concerns raised - maybe I will change my approach some time in the future.

Offline 54545

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I have the same problem you have with rhythm. I would suggest listening to some of the music pieces you desire to play. This will help you get the music in your head and will be easier to execute rhythmically. That's what I have tried and it has worked pretty well.

You can also try some of the Liszt technical exercises, particularly the early ones with the finger indipendence which not only requres strengthening the fingers but it forces you to play the exercises in different rhythms.

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I am looking for pieces to play such as Chopin's Etude in C Major (Opus 10 No 1) or Shostakovich's Prelude 21 (Opus 87), or at a stretch Rachmaninov's Prelude in C# minor (Opus 3 No 2). In short, pieces without rests, dotted notes, quavers in one hand and triplets in the other, etc.

I have been playing a couple of hours a day for years and can handle the notes but have always struggled with my lack of rhythm. Now I am in my forties I have decided to restrict myself to pieces such as the awesome Chopin/Shostakovich pieces above that present no problems for the rhythmically challenged. I would really appreciate any suggestions.

This may be an odd suggestion but one of Beethoven's lesser-known sonatas, Op.54/#22, is a 2 movement work, the first of which is a rather muscular "menuetto". However the 2nd movement is sort of a "perpetual mobile/toccatina" I've always liked. In 2/4 time it runs in a steady flow of 16th notes start to finish. Another suggestion is Stravinsky's Etude Op.7/4 (as well as Op.7/2) - both challenging and (I think) within your criteria (which I'm not certain I fully understand). And on the edge of uber-difficulty you could challenge yourself with the Prelude from Sorabji's "Prelude, Interlude and Fugue" - a breath-taking steady stream of 16th notes in both hands (not octaves) - recorded brilliantly by Michael Habermann.
...and she disappeared from view while playing the Agatha Christie Fugue...
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