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abcdef123

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Hello everyone! I was wondering how to approach this Chopin etude or learn it. I have tried playing staccato, block chords. I need some advice on how to learn this etude. When should I do it hands together? It is not a problem for me to play the arpeggios up but when I go down back, I will get stuck. Advice appreciated! Thank yoU!

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Re: Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 12

Reply #1 on: January 09, 2011, 06:55:31 AM

Well I tried this etude before, however my method might be not so useful unless you practice through hearing and double checking the notes afterwards (because that's how I do it

I basically rely on my ears for almost everything in music).

Might I suggest working on the left hand first. Follow the notes and the order of fingering and then figure out the right hand once you've done so. I kinda broke the song down into a few sections so I'd learn the left part first of this section then the right and then put it together.

Figure you should try that ^^"

All the best,
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Re: Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 12

Reply #2 on: January 09, 2011, 11:16:36 AM

Practise slowly, without pedal and both hands together.

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abcdef123

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Re: Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 12

Reply #3 on: January 10, 2011, 12:56:51 PM

How do I practice to make all the "flowing" notes of the same volumne except the accents?

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Re: Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 12

Reply #4 on: January 10, 2011, 01:03:22 PM

by practising etudes like this alot, so you can do arpeggio's/thumbs-under or over, move easily

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abcdef123

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Re: Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 12

Reply #5 on: January 15, 2011, 01:10:14 PM

Any practice methods?

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Reply #6 on: January 15, 2011, 06:38:22 PM

If descending is the most difficult for you, then practice that the most as its own concept for awhile, until it's not the most difficult anymore. Start at the top of the tier and then descend in both blocked chords and arpeggiated chords into the first beat of the next measure (so you have a link when you put it all back together).

Keep in mind that each hand is going to feel slightly different than the other in terms of the lines and angles it needs to use, but they will try to tell you they should feel the same as each other ... don't listen to them! It will be especially different when one has black notes and the other doesn't, or especially if one starts on a black note and the other doesn't. Even though HS practice is helpful, and it is a good way to have a sense of the lines and angles the individual hand is making, you really feel the difference when you put your hands together (and pay attention kinesthetically). Ultimately, your body needs to feel them occurring simultaneously and that becomes its own sensation.

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Re: Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 12

Reply #7 on: January 16, 2011, 01:46:27 AM

That was alot of help everyone! Thank you very much, I really appreciate it.

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Re: Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 12

Reply #8 on: January 20, 2011, 04:46:20 PM

I too have this one on my list of "one-day-play-well".

Like you, my upward RH runs are smoother than the downward ones. What I think happens with me is that my fingers are anticipating a stretch, which works perfect on the upnotes, but I have to remind myself to pull in the stretch on the downstrokes, almost scrunch up the hand over one or two notes or my hand has already zoomed on by.

I agree with gyzzzmo that this Etude is definitely helping my arpeggio's. Some other posts have said not to attempt this piece until your arpeggio's are great. I'm doing it the other way around. I figure that's why Chopin called it an Etude.

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Re: Chopin Etude Op. 25 No. 12

Reply #9 on: January 20, 2011, 05:03:05 PM

Chopin is one of the few who wrote true etudes for advanced students. Liszt etudes for example, arent really etudes. Theyre studies and should only be played if you already have a (very) good technique and you would still need other -Etudes- for gaining the required technique.

The only major thing you have to be aware of is to never play things too fast. That will hurt the piece and is often hard to unlearn.

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