To ch101

[punkpianist360]

Please do not force me out of prat retirement.   

[john11inc]

I, having no qualms with being a prat, have already tried, as have others (this being the third topic made about them).  This insipid, vacuous waste of space will not even notice your attempts, because s/he never even looks at the same thread twice.

[invictious]

According do his profile, he is only 11. I have no idea about his playing, but according to his signature he is playing rather technically advanced pieces.

There is not minimum age requirement in the Piano Forum Rules, so it would not be a proper ground for banning him.

I say we just give him a break.

[birba]

What on earth is this all about?!

[becky8898]

Hey you know what he is 12 just like me. So he made a few mistakes out of enthusiasm when he first joined Piano Street.  He knows better now. He  just introduced himself over on the student board. Give him a break. What are the rest of you perfect.  This thread should be stopped as its just some kind of picking on a kid.  

Cheers , Becky

[perfect_pitch]

This may sound dumb... but considering that anyone can insert any date into their profile.

I'm 126 years old. Who would have figured... Check my profile.

THAT... or ch101 could easily just insert any random date into the birthday and pretend he's an 11 year old.

I think maybe we could just remind him not to insert inane comments into threads that died a LONG time ago. Plus maybe not respond with 3 word answers. If he's got something to say - try to make it an entire sentence.

[littletune]

I don't know why but this ch101 reminds me of that piano kid from a few months back But maybe that's just cause all boys are kinda the same    But it's true what Becky said... I don't think he did anything so bad that he would need to be banned or something... he's just a little too excited or something   

[thalbergmad]

he's just a little too excited or something   

This could well be the truth little one. I guess if I was 11 and just joined a place like this, I would be excited as well.

I now feel I should have looked at his profile before being a little nasty.

Thal

[birba]

Littletune, maybe YOU would be so kind as to inform me of what ch101 did.  Everyone else ignores me...

[john11inc]

Littletune, maybe YOU would be so kind as to inform me of what ch101 did.  Everyone else ignores me...

All s/he does is make 2-10 word, snotty comments in threads that are anywhere from 4 months to 4 years old, and then never contributes in them again.  His/her repertoire is also pretty suspect for an 11 year old (or does that make the age suspect?) and is incongruent with some comments made by the person as well.

[stevebob]

Some of ch101's posts have been lengthier than a few words, and their writing style is indeed incongruous with the vacuous fragments (such as, for example, "i do not like" in the Chopin Jazz thread) that have lacked punctuation or capitalization.

But Henry (as he belatedly identified himself) is inconsistent even about his own age!  He says he's 12; his profile says 11.  What's that about?

I'm happy to cut a kid some slack (provided he's amenable to correcting his bad behavior), but I'm not completely convinced that's the explanation here.  There's a lot of pathological behavior in the world, and this is, after all, the sort of thing that internet trolls find amusing.

birba, perhaps you can examine ch101's posting history and form your own opinion from the evidence.

[punkpianist360]

Gentleman, and ladies,  I am not bashing ch101, just giving everyone a heads up:  I have a long standing reputation ( pre-2008 members) as a prat, spammer, and what not.  Our dear friend is simply provoking my to release my mischief on the forum again (yes, Bob, yes).  Does the "word association thread" come to mind?  Or, perhaps...PMZ?!?!!?!?

[birba]

Hmmm.  I just read his posts (how did I ever miss them?!) and he DOES sound like a very mature 11 year old.  Which could explain some of his "from the gut" views.

[pianist1976]

Been 11 years old or 101 is not an excuse nor justifies to behave as a hooligan, as this person did in some replies.

Well, everybody deserves a 2nd chance... We'll be expecting

[littletune]

Littletune, maybe YOU would be so kind as to inform me of what ch101 did.  Everyone else ignores me...

Oh sorry Birba for not answering you... but I see others have answered you already now Really you read all of his posts? So I guess now you know a lot more about him than me cause I don't really know very much   

[roger_1948]

CH101: I Read some of your posts.  Here is my thought.  If you are a kid then start behaving like one.  I dont mean that you act childish. I mean you show a little respect to the adults here. Listen more than post. Look at kids your age like Becky and Littletune.  They are a pleasure, contribute to the boards in a very positive way and always seem to realize that it is a privledge to be on these boards as young as you all are. 

Also it would be our pleasure to hear you post something you play . If you cant work out the mechanics perhaps you can get a parent to help you with it.

Hoping in the future to hear from you in the positive responsible way that im sure you can be. 

Semper FI, Roger

[invictious]

Been 11 years old or 101 is not an excuse nor justifies to behave as a hooligan, as this person did in some replies.

I would hate to be your kid

[pianist1976]

I would hate to be your kid

Why this nasty, impolite and unkind "ad hominem" attack?

You should be ashamed, young man. Respect!

[retrouvailles]

You should be ashamed, young man. Respect!

This is the internet. Respect is hard to give to someone who you've never met or cannot be sure of the identity of said person.

[littletune]

Well I don't know I think you should respect others in general. If you know them or not... and specially if they didn't do anything bad to you...

[pianist1976]

This is the internet. Respect is hard to give to someone who you've never met or cannot be sure of the identity of said person.

Fortunately not everybody thinks like you, retrouvailes.

I think you should respect others in general. If you know them or not... and specially if they didn't do anything bad to you...

Very well expressed! That's just the point

[pianowolfi]

This is the internet. Respect is hard to give to someone who you've never met or cannot be sure of the identity of said person.

So you mean disrespect is one of the rules of the internet?
There is always somebody at the other side of the wire. (except search robots and spam machines, of course) There is no difference between this person and your real life neighbour, actually. The only difference is in your mind.

[retrouvailles]

So you mean disrespect is one of the rules of the internet?
There is always somebody at the other side of the wire. (except search robots and spam machines, of course) There is no difference between this person and your real life neighbour, actually. The only difference is in your mind.

I never said disrespect is a rule of the internet. I just said that you have no idea who you're looking at. There is nothing to distinguish a person, such as the sound of someone's voice, or the memory of someone's face (someone's typing idiosyncrasies isn't enough). There may be someone on the other side of the wire, but you have no idea who that is unless you are using Skype video. Therefore, respect is something that is hard to do over the internet. That said, I do have respect for some people on the internet, but I don't by any means equate it to a real live interaction with people. I have seen pictures or heard recordings of some of you, but really, to me (and many others here I'm sure), most of you are faceless and don't warrant more than a passing thought most of the time. I do give people a certain degree of politeness, but I won't go out of my way for it.

[pianowolfi]

I never said disrespect is a rule of the internet. I just said that you have no idea who you're looking at. There is nothing to distinguish a person, such as the sound of someone's voice, or the memory of someone's face (someone's typing idiosyncrasies isn't enough). There may be someone on the other side of the wire, but you have no idea who that is unless you are using Skype video. Therefore, respect is something that is hard to do over the internet. That said, I do have respect for some people on the internet, but I don't by any means equate it to a real live interaction with people. I have seen pictures or heard recordings of some of you, but really, to me (and many others here I'm sure), most of you are faceless and don't warrant more than a passing thought most of the time. I do give people a certain degree of politeness, but I won't go out of my way for it.

Just because you can't perceive something at the moment it doesn't mean that it's not there. We use to think that we've learned to cope with the phone, but still sometimes the phone can get very irritating and even threatening, especially if you have to deal with anonymous calls, advertisers or even stalkers! We haven't even learned to cope with this, actually!
 And now we're facing the challenge to cope with a broad interaction that can even involve much more personal and intimate communication than the phone, but we don't live up to the "moral" level of this, at the same time!
It's so easy to say "oh well this other person isn't real, it's just the internet"
But they are real. At least I am, and I think that many people here are fully aware of their reality and the reality of the other person.

[becky8898]

I never said disrespect is a rule of the internet. I just said that you have no idea who you're looking at. There is nothing to distinguish a person, such as the sound of someone's voice, or the memory of someone's face (someone's typing idiosyncrasies isn't enough). There may be someone on the other side of the wire, but you have no idea who that is unless you are using Skype video. Therefore, respect is something that is hard to do over the internet. That said, I do have respect for some people on the internet, but I don't by any means equate it to a real live interaction with people. I have seen pictures or heard recordings of some of you, but really, to me (and many others here I'm sure), most of you are faceless and don't warrant more than a passing thought most of the time. I do give people a certain degree of politeness, but I won't go out of my way for it.

I always try and be very respectful of everyone, especially adults who might have a better understanding about things than I do. IN this instance though I really really disagree with the poster.  

I can read the Bible, or the Koran or a good book and be deeply affected by the ideas expressed and have a great deal of respect for the mind that came up with those ideas.  I can be deeply affected by those ideas if the ideas expressed are truly compelling and well thought out.  I dont ever have to meet the person to have profound respect for them.  I can hear a piece of music  that I dont know the composer, nor the performer and still be deeply affected by that music.  

I have never meet nor will I probably meet most of the people on this forum, but I have immense respect for there intelligence , wit, and clarity of thought as evidenced by there posts.  I have totally enjoyed some of the postings on the audition board . All of these things affect me and make me think.  

The internet is an exchange of ideas and part of those ideas relate to art.  When those ideas are powerful enough they have a huge impact on you , even if you do not realize it at the time.  

I mean , Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, etc.  none of us have ever meet, but there musical ideas have profoundly influenced each and everyone of us and at least to me has earned my gratitude and respect.  

To finish I would like to say that even though i disagree with retrouvailles i respect the point of view he/she stated .

Cheers , Becky


  

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[ongaku_oniko]

So you mean disrespect is one of the rules of the internet?
There is always somebody at the other side of the wire. (except search robots and spam machines, of course) There is no difference between this person and your real life neighbour, actually. The only difference is in your mind.

Imagine if retrouvailles really was your next door neighbour

[musicluvr49]

I never said disrespect is a rule of the internet. I just said that you have no idea who you're looking at. There is nothing to distinguish a person, such as the sound of someone's voice, or the memory of someone's face (someone's typing idiosyncrasies isn't enough). There may be someone on the other side of the wire, but you have no idea who that is unless you are using Skype video. Therefore, respect is something that is hard to do over the internet. That said, I do have respect for some people on the internet, but I don't by any means equate it to a real live interaction with people. I have seen pictures or heard recordings of some of you, but really, to me (and many others here I'm sure), most of you are faceless and don't warrant more than a passing thought most of the time. I do give people a certain degree of politeness, but I won't go out of my way for it.

I think there are different types of respect. First, there's is the respect that you should have for every human being. Even people you don't know, everyone should be treated with respect, unless they've done something awful to lose it. Then, there's the respect that you have for people when you get to know them. You begin to respect them as a person. So yeah, I have a certain level of respect for every person, even if they say something silly, or something I don't agree with.

[pianowolfi]

Imagine if retrouvailles really was your next door neighbour

Well that wouldn't be so bad, I guess. He has a lot of knowledge about contemporary music and I imagine he's a quite nice guy and I am used to have a musician as neighbour so it wouldn't disturb me

[ongaku_oniko]

It would be awesome, wouldn't it.

I mean you'd be the only one on the whole forums (I guess besides himself) who is respected by retrouvailles. Isn't that amazing? The only one on the forums!

(well, assuming that you actually talked to each other and realized who you are)

[pianowolfi]

It would be awesome, wouldn't it.

I mean you'd be the only one on the whole forums (I guess besides himself) who is respected by retrouvailles. Isn't that amazing? The only one on the forums!

(well, assuming that you actually talked to each other and realized who you are)

Haha no we didn't talk to each other and I don't know him in person I don't know why you would think he has no respect for anyone. LOL that's strange, but who am I to say? I don't know him nor you but, well I think you are relatively new to the forum. And I think I have read a lot of good posts from retrouvailles. 

[ongaku_oniko]

Just in case you misunderstood:

my previous comments were all jokes and not meant to offend anybody. I'm not implying anything, and I don't have any prejudice against retrouvailles. I don't even know who he is. Everything I wrote is based on your comment of 1. internet people are as real as your neighbours, and 2. your quote of him saying that it's hard to respect people online.

That's his opinion, I don't have anything against that. Respect is an ambiguous term anyway, and people's definition of respect is different. Something that I call respecting might be something you think is completely natural and obvious and is basic human deciency such that it's not enough to be called respect.

So we have different degrees of respectfulness and what we would consider to be respect, and whom we consider deserving of respect. None of it really is objective.

So again, I have nothing against him, and I was just trying to make a joke. Sorry if I suck at making jokes.

[invictious]

Why this nasty, impolite and unkind "ad hominem" attack?

You should be ashamed, young man. Respect!

That was meant to be a joke about your hard approach on young kids. I thought the emoticon would show that I am kidding.

I'm sorry if I offended you.

[retrouvailles]

Just to clarify: I am a nice guy, and I have nothing against anyone here. I have been a member here for about 6 years (4 years under this username) and I have seen a lot of you come and go, so it is hard to develop any sort of respect for people, or potential for any, without getting to know them. I have had some great exchanges with many of you over the years and have developed some respect for those of you who have been here for quite a long time that I have become comfortable with. So, don't think that I am inherently disrespectful to anyone. Just consider me as a cautious person who won't take anyone for granted.

[pianowolfi]

Hey Ongaku don't worry