Piano Forum



Master Teacher Christopher Elton – Never Ending Impetus
With 50 years at the Royal Academy of Music and an international teaching career, Professor Christopher Elton has gained unique experience in how to coach accomplished artists. In this unique interview for Piano Street, Elton shares his insights and views on the big perspective. Read more >>

Topic: Liszt and Scriabin  (Read 2288 times)

Offline Pumpkinhead

  • PS Silver Member
  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 74
Liszt and Scriabin
on: August 10, 2004, 01:01:35 AM
For my upcoming YAG audition, I also need an etude. My teacher has already narrowed it down to  etudes by either Scriabin or Liszt. Does anyone know of any great, melodic, advanced etudes by either? I was thinking of one of the Transcedentals. Any ideas?

Offline liszmaninopin

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1101
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #1 on: August 10, 2004, 02:21:24 AM
Try Scriabin's Op. 42 #5!  It's very difficult (more so than any Liszt etude IMO), and has very high levels of drama and energy.

Offline bachmaninov

  • PS Silver Member
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 171
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #2 on: August 10, 2004, 05:11:11 AM
Scriabin's Etude No.12 is definately one of my favorite pieces! It is so sinister and yet powerful! This one is GREAT for an audition... fairly difficult and truly a masterpiece!

Offline maxy

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 650
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #3 on: August 10, 2004, 06:29:39 AM
Transc #8 Wilde Jagd
A good one to start the "set".  Not extremely hard but yet very impressive.  Gorgeous melodic moments.

Harmonies du soir could also be interesting if you want very expressive sections.

Rob47

  • Guest
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #4 on: August 10, 2004, 08:26:33 AM
Try scriabin opus.  65 no. 1 ....its in various ninths. and fast. "allegro fantastico 144-160 to the dotted eighth, 12/16, the right hand is all continuous 16th note ninths.  It would pretty much not be playable for a performer iwth small reach.  But op 8. no 12 is very powerful and sinister as bachmaninov stated. its a bit better tho in that its all octaves not ninths. op.8 no 10. got some meaan thirds but not too mean because its not entierely thirds.  (theres the odd 4yth or 5 th or 6th thrown into relieve the pain.

And as for liszt etudes if u've never played campanella why not learn it now? its relatively tricky I guess. And everyone loves la campanella!  

Good LUCK!

Rob

Offline pianiststrongbad

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 341
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #5 on: August 10, 2004, 08:36:05 AM
Op. 42 no. 5 is my fav Scriabin Etude.  Also, perhaps the most difficult.  Op. 8 no. 12 is wonderful, but highly overplayed.  As far as Liszt goes, I would think Un Sospiro would be a good audition peice- from the Concert Etudes.  I would stay away from La Campanella- even if you can master the technique, there is a lot of musicality in it aswell.  Though from the Paganini Etudes I really like the last one he wrote, uses the same theme as the Brahms' Paganini Variations.  From the TE's, I like 4, 8, 10, 11, 12.  Hope this helps.

Offline johnjwong

  • PS Silver Member
  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 88
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #6 on: August 10, 2004, 04:03:53 PM
try Scriabin op.8 no.3, its a hard one and a very impressive one too.

Offline DarkWind

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 729
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #7 on: August 10, 2004, 06:42:17 PM
Quote
Transc #8 Wilde Jagd
A good one to start the "set".  Not extremely hard but yet very impressive.  Gorgeous melodic moments.


That one is possibly the hardest etude in the whole set besides Feux Follets. A good starter is the one before it,
No. 7, Eroica. It's strong and impressive, but very easy to play. Try it!

Offline Pumpkinhead

  • PS Silver Member
  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 74
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #8 on: August 11, 2004, 01:49:36 AM
Thanks alot guys, I'm really thinking of playing Scriabin's etude op. 8 no. 3. HOwever, do you guys think that any of the transcedentals show off more musicality or technique. This has to be my real show off piece. Thanks alot anyways.

Offline johnjwong

  • PS Silver Member
  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 88
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #9 on: August 11, 2004, 02:00:57 AM
Quote
Thanks alot guys, I'm really thinking of playing Scriabin's etude op. 8 no. 3. HOwever, do you guys think that any of the transcedentals show off more musicality or technique. This has to be my real show off piece. Thanks alot anyways.


smart choice ^^ good luck on your performance!

Offline thracozaag

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1311
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #10 on: August 11, 2004, 04:53:37 PM
Quote
Op. 42 no. 5 is my fav Scriabin Etude.  Also, perhaps the most difficult.  Op. 8 no. 12 is wonderful, but highly overplayed.  As far as Liszt goes, I would think Un Sospiro would be a good audition peice- from the Concert Etudes.  I would stay away from La Campanella- even if you can master the technique, there is a lot of musicality in it aswell.  Though from the Paganini Etudes I really like the last one he wrote, uses the same theme as the Brahms' Paganini Variations.  From the TE's, I like 4, 8, 10, 11, 12.  Hope this helps.


 Tell me about it...the 2nd page of 42 #5 is killing me; like an evil reverse version of Chopin 10/2.

koji
"We have to reach a certain level before we realize how small we are."--Georges Cziffra

Offline mh88

  • PS Silver Member
  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 52
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #11 on: August 12, 2004, 12:12:30 AM
i was going to recommend the op. 8 no. 3...if you're looking for a good recordinig of it, try Lang Lang's release...plays it quite well and at a really nice pace

Offline maxy

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 650
Re: Liszt and Scriabin
Reply #12 on: August 13, 2004, 04:01:53 AM
Quote


That one is possibly the hardest etude in the whole set besides Feux Follets. A good starter is the one before it,
No. 7, Eroica. It's strong and impressive, but very easy to play. Try it!



No way!  Mazeppa is much harder than #8.  
#10, #12 and #5 (obviously) are also...

8  is really not that bad.  #7 is "easy" to learn, but I find it is not much fun...  But if you like it, it is an excellent choice.
For more information about this topic, click search below!
 

Logo light pianostreet.com - the website for classical pianists, piano teachers, students and piano music enthusiasts.

Subscribe for unlimited access

Sign up

Follow us

Piano Street Digicert