Chopin Opus KKIVa no 16

[rlefebvr]

Want to know what I love on the piano. This I love. Give me more of this type to play and I will be a happy man.

I know I can play this, but there are two things I need help with.

1. Trills. I know this has been discussed before, but I never cared before. I seem to be playing them o.k., but wondering if there is a special way to practice or to hit the keys.

2.Bar 55.56.57.58 at the end. There are rippling patterns. These I know I cannot play. Again. how to practice them and get the necessary or close enough speed.

What a beautifull piece....

[.COM]

I haven't really heard of Chopin's Opus KKIVa no. 16 before. Maybe someone else could help you.

Maybe you can give us a link to find an midi file of it.

-Dot out :-/

[bernhard]

I haven't really heard of Chopin's Opus KKIVa no. 16 before. Maybe someone else could help you.

Maybe you can give us a link to find an midi file of it.

-Dot out :-/

Nocturne no. 20 in C# minor.

Ashkenazy has recorded it for Decca.

You are right. Bars 55 - 58 are the most difficult.

Good luck with it!

Best wishes,
Bernhard.

[allchopin]

Nocturne no. 20 in C# minor.

How did you get Nocturne Op. post. #20 out of KKIVa #16?  I have never heard of this notation before.

[bernhard]

I have friends in high places.

[allchopin]

Ok..

[thierry13]

what does KKIVa no.16 means???

[Rach3]

It means nocturne no. 20 op. post.

[bernhard]

what does KKIVa no.16 means???

The matter of Chopin’s publications is a real mess:

1.      Most of his works were published at the same time (all claiming to be “first editions”) in Germany, France and England. Many times there are discrepancies amongst these first editions. Which one is correct?

2.      Chopin made several alterations on the scores of these editions, These alterations survive on the copies of his pupils, the ones considered most important being the ones in Jane Stirling’s copies (important because so close to his death, and therefore they can be said to be the closest to his true intentions, his “final version”).

3.      Editors in the past had no qualms in modifying Chopin’s music (Cortot, for instance adds notes and change fingerings).

4.      With Chopin’s death a number of manuscripts that was probably never intended for publication was. Hence all the Op. Posth. As recently as 1955 new Chopin manuscripts were still being discovered (and published).

As you can imagine, musicologists have had a field day debating a) the chronological order of the works and b) which is the most “authentic” version.

As a result a number of scholars came up with different numbering systems (not unlike the ones for Haydn and Scarlatti amongst others).

KK refers to one of these: Chopin cataloguer Krystyna Kobylanska – who was also for a time curator of the Chopin Museum, and who in 1977 come up with her KK numbering system.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.