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Scriabin Etude Op.42 No.5 (Read 12524 times)

Offline piano1231

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Scriabin Etude Op.42 No.5
« on: April 07, 2011, 02:59:15 PM »
I'm working on this piece and have memorized the whole score, however, I find it difficult to perfrom well, especially when facing a lot of people :-[
And the most serious problem is I have played this slowly (and two hands split )before I speeded up, and it seems it didn't work out!
I know this is not a easy piece to handel, but I really want to overcome the obstacle!

if there is any similar technique etude by other composer, I would try to apply to this

thank you guys!

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op.42 No.5
«Reply #1 on: April 08, 2011, 05:40:28 AM »
Heehee, it seems like a hard piece to 'handel'  ;)

I'm considering playing this etude next year (I need to find 3 contrasting ones as part of my jury), and I've looked through it a few times.

I found the second and third pages (when all of the inner voices intertwine, stretching your hands like crazy) absolutely nuts... that would be a reason I would not perform it for people.  

Maybe try practicing by bringing out different parts?  So I guess at the very beginning, play the first page once listening to the upper notes, and imagining how clear you CAN play them.  Then do the same thing with the left hand, which could easily get very chopped up at the jumps.  Just try to be aware that collectively it is really unified, and you are able to isolate and listen to different parts while playing it.

Obviously you should do that slowly though.

There is plenty of material in this piece that make it an etude for finger independence and balance; make sure each layer is as clear as you can play it.


Also... what other etudes have you played?  The Chopin E major Op 10 #3 has very thick textures, and a lot of attention needs to be paid to musicality.  I'm sure if you played that parallel to the Scriabin, you could find some ideas to carry over (the Chopin is probably a lot easier technically, but it could help clarify the 'voicing' stuff I was mentioning further up).

The Scriabin etude, also in Op 42 (It's f- / Ab+, I forget the #), the left hand has a arpeggiated sixteenth pattern, and the right hand has triplet eighth notes.  That one is a little more concise (in my edition it's a few pages shorter).  Fitting that one hands together is also tricky, but going back to the #5, you'll be thankful there aren't huge polyrhythm issues popping up.
Interested in discussing:

-Prokofiev Toccata
-Scriabin Sonata 2

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op.42 No.5
«Reply #2 on: April 08, 2011, 09:40:07 AM »
Well, if something doesn't work, you can't just leave it. If you can't play hit hands seperate, then you obviously can't play it hands together...

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op.42 No.5
«Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 11:39:41 AM »
Hi there,

Not sure what the particular problem is, but could you upload a video of it for us?  Might be easier to help if we can see what's going wrong (although I'm sure plenty is going right!) . . .

Cheers,
Mike

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op.42 No.5
«Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 01:10:57 PM »
to nanabush:
thank you a lot for such a wonderful and useful suggestion!  :)
what you've said really do a lot help for me, and the steps you offered above have many similarities with what I've learned from a masterclass!
the professer asked me to play the right hand and the theme (upper voice) only, then tried to make every note sings, surely after that can I fit other voices in. And she mentioned about the finger legato, (at least I thought it what she tried to say)it was so hard!

guess there is no other shortcut but to practice it discreetly and patiently!what a journey!

 

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op.42 No.5
«Reply #5 on: April 09, 2011, 01:27:13 PM »
Well, if something doesn't work, you can't just leave it. If you can't play hit hands seperate, then you obviously can't play it hands together...

Hmm, I agree. I mean surely can I play it in adagio or moderato hands together, but when I try to speed up, I would lose the clarity of notes!
and I was trying to find a new way to imorve myself besides two hand seperately in slow speed.maybe I misunderstand your words, was that waht you suggest?   


 

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op.42 No.5
«Reply #6 on: April 09, 2011, 01:30:23 PM »
Hi there,

Not sure what the particular problem is, but could you upload a video of it for us?  Might be easier to help if we can see what's going wrong (although I'm sure plenty is going right!) . . .

Cheers,
Mike


do you mean a real video ??? or just with the soundtracks?
so shy to meet people :o

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Re: Scriabin Etude Op.42 No.5
«Reply #7 on: April 09, 2011, 04:17:51 PM »

do you mean a real video ??? or just with the soundtracks?
so shy to meet people :o

Actual video would be preferable, since we could see what you are physically doing at the piano, but audio would be a second best :-)

Mike