Orage

[Fhugo]

Hey there, I just need someone to tell me where I can situate my skill - I've finished Liszt's Vallée d'Obermann a couple weeks ago and was wondering if his Orage would be about the same level, or above it? I got thru the Presto tempestuoso in vallée quite easily, and I think, really cant say since I dont have the orage transcription in hands, I think its about the same, each in its own proportions, of course. Just browsing for a show off piece for my pianos anniversary, and vallée doesnt quite fit as a non-musical audience piece  :)

thnks,
felix

[maxy]

Orage from Années de pèlerinage?
I would not say it's harder than Vallée d'Oberman.
Basically, you bash all the way through...
Not one of the most interesting Liszt piece.  (and I am a huge Liszt fan)

[johnjwong]

and the liszt interesting piece would be?

[maxy]

why the question?

bunch of interesting pieces:

most of the études (pag, transc, concert)
many HR
Spanish Rhapsody
Sonata
a lot of stuff in the Années de Pèlerinage
Concerti, Totentanz
Légendes
Consolations
Mephisto Waltz
Lot of transcriptions...

[johnjwong]

why the question?

bunch of interesting pieces:

most of the études (pag, transc, concert)
many HR
Spanish Rhapsody
Sonata
a lot of stuff in the Années de Pèlerinage
Concerti, Totentanz
Légendes
Consolations
Mephisto Waltz
Lot of transcriptions...

do u find tarantella interesting?

[bachmaninov]

I find Liszt's tarantella very underrated! And somewhat forgotten when you think of liszt!

His Tarantella is for some reason in the shadows of his other pieces like Mephisto and HR's and Etudes...

[maxy]

tarentella? in the Supplément des années de pèlerinage?
Sure!

[Rob47]

Tarentella is one my favourtie Liszt pieces to play!! the canzone neoplitan part has such a pleasant melody...and the Thalbergian arpeggios later are incredible....the way cziffra plays them on his great pianists CD is a real treat...(who says "real treat" these days anyway...  

Rob

[Nightscape]

I find a lot of Liszt's shorter, lesser known works very enjoyable too.

Like the Impromptu S191(as beautiful as any Chopin etude, could be used in place of one)

and the Petite valse favourite S212i (actually this is a different, more lyrical version of the Valse Impromptu)

and of course there are many more.  I'm going to buy a Leslie Howard CD of some of the shorter, unknown works.  The samples I've listened to all have a unique mood and quality to them.

[donjuan]

Tarentella is one my favourtie Liszt pieces to play!! the canzone neoplitan part has such a pleasant melody...and the Thalbergian arpeggios later are incredible....the way cziffra plays them on his great pianists CD is a real treat...(who says "real treat" these days anyway...  

Rob

HEY!!!! someone is mentioning Tarantella on this forum. finally!!!! I played this work in numerous music festivals and it is always a hit with the audience.  (Especially when you play your own cadenza before the arpeggio sequence)  I dont know what Bachmaninov is talking about when he says it is forgotten- it is actually quite well known and recognizable.  
The ending is such an adrenaline rush!  

anyways, about Orage... I think Maxy is quite wrong when he says it isnt interesting- you need to keep in mind that Liszt was very young when he wrote it and it is very representative of his heavy style at the time.  I believe it is one of the most tempestuous works in existence, and the ending is absolutely chilling, similar (to me anyway) to the ending of Beethoven's Appasionata.

ROB:

Tarentella is one my favourtie Liszt pieces to play!! the canzone neoplitan part has such a pleasant melody...and the Thalbergian arpeggios later are incredible....the way cziffra plays them on his great pianists CD is a real treat...(who says "real treat" these days anyway...    

Rob

er.... I cant find Cziffra's Tarantella recording on his Great Pianist CD. he has "La Muette de Portici: Tarantella di Bravura", but I cant find his Tarantella from Venezia e Napoli on it.  If you have it, can you send it to me?

Thanks,
donjuan

[Rob47]

hey donjuan

track 6 disc 1? That should be tarentella..right after un sospiro...unless you have some sort of bootleg great pianists cd...haha im just joking.  If for some reason though it's not on your copy I can send it too you.
but check again!

Rob

[donjuan]

hey donjuan

track 6 disc 1? That should be tarentella..right after un sospiro...unless you have some sort of bootleg great pianists cd...haha im just joking.  If for some reason though it's not on your copy I can send it too you.
but check again!

Rob

oh.... yeah, see I get the recording from the local library and the disc is REALLY badly scratched up and the book was missing, so I wasnt able to listen to most of it- full of  pops and skips.

It would be great if you could send me the wma file (or if you compress it into mp3) by email.  My email is

orienlee87@yahoo.ca

I can accept it so long as it is under 100 MB, which I am sure it is.  I am not sure if you will be able to send it...In some internet services like Yahoo or Hotmail if it is larger than 10 MB you wont be able to attach it.

Please let me know if you can send it.

Thank you so much.
donjuan

[Rob47]

yo donjuan

I'll give it a go right now! its 7.58mg


yo fhugo

you;ve just finshed valle obermann>>do spanish rhapsody next. its got great little theme's that are ultra catchy. Or maybe do Tarentella  

your friend
Rob

[m1469]

Okay, I apologize for bringing this old thread up, but I feel that Orage has been greatly underestimated here.

This piece demands of the performer to look deeply within to find the meaning, as well as the person within to play it.  Performing it is a DARE.  If all that is seen within this piece is "crashing around", then it has not been thought of deeply enough.  I have never known of such stirring and rage, and why should rage be of any lesser value than any other emotion ? 

Here is the poem that this piece accompanies:

"But where of ye, oh tempests!  is the goal? Are ye like those within the human breast Or do ye find, at length, like eagles, some high nest?"                                                         

Byron

This book was first published in 1840 after travels made by Liszt.  This piece does not need to be played heavy handed, and should not be except for on few occasions.  Actually, quite the opposite !  There is wind and mystery, fire and passion.  This is not all about heaviness.  But I would agree, the ending is quite chilling.

In my opinion, this piece makes for a fabulous part of a program and is complimented nicely with Au lac de Wallenstadt from the same book.

[donjuan]

hmm learning something new everyday...thanks m1469!  Where did you find such information?

[m1469]

Research/Experience