Etudes before chopin etudes.

[countrymath]

I tried a couple of Chopin Etudes last two months and had a huge fail on all of them (Black keys, Op 25 N. 5, Op 25 N. 9). I really want to play these etudes, so what etudes should I learn before chopin's?

[reelypiano]

It's hard to say without knowing your level, but you can check out some Czerny etudes, school of velocity Op. 299 for something easier, Art of finger dexterity Op. 740 for something a bit more challenging. Also, there's no harm in getting to know the notes of some of the less technically difficult Chopins, for example 10.3, 10.6, 25.7 and trois novelles études 1 in f minor. Also check out some Moszkowsky. There's a lot to take from, but you'd have to ask your teacher or tell us a bit more about your level What pieces have you worked on lately?

Hope this helps!
V

[countrymath]

As you can see from my signature, Mozart and Scarllati sonatas, Chopin Revolutionary etude, Fantaisie Impromptu, Tchaickovsky The Seasons - February, Waltz in B minor (chopin), Brahms Klaviertstucke n3 Ballade, a couple of bachs 2 part invention, and a few more.

[ongaku_oniko]

Hi.

I tried black kes at first and failed pretty bad too. But now at least I can play from beginning to end, though not great. It just takes a while to get used to playing only black keys. It just takes time. You'll get it

[reelypiano]

As you can see from my signature, Mozart and Scarllati sonatas, Chopin Revolutionary etude, Fantaisie Impromptu, Tchaickovsky The Seasons - February, Waltz in B minor (chopin), Brahms Klaviertstucke n3 Ballade, a couple of bachs 2 part invention, and a few more.

Hm, check out some of the Czerny etudes I mentioned then, though be catious about the 740, many of them are quite a bit of work! Always strive for perfection when playing etudes to learn what they are trying to teach you. And do check out the less technically demanding chopins. Oh and if you really burn for a virtuoso etude, by all means go for it, befriend the notes, slowly many many times at first. Don't rush, you'll get hurt. But if you approach it the right way you'll get it eventually. Did it myself with Rach 2. Oh and by the way, no harm in learning pieces as well as etudes! How about some chopin nocturnes? Waltzes? Mazurkas? Everything will help, one way or another.

V

[countrymath]

Hm, check out some of the Czerny etudes I mentioned then, though be catious about the 740, many of them are quite a bit of work! Always strive for perfection when playing etudes to learn what they are trying to teach you. And do check out the less technically demanding chopins. Oh and if you really burn for a virtuoso etude, by all means go for it, befriend the notes, slowly many many times at first. Don't rush, you'll get hurt. But if you approach it the right way you'll get it eventually. Did it myself with Rach 2. Oh and by the way, no harm in learning pieces as well as etudes! How about some chopin nocturnes? Waltzes? Mazurkas? Everything will help, one way or another.

V

No, im pretty sure that i will give up (at least for now). I've been practcing it for 1 month and I can play smt like 1 bar :p

I don't like czerny. I feel guilty about don't practice an Etude, because they demand a lot of work but give a great reward. I think that learn pieces that are not etude is the "good" part. I need at least one etude for practcing.

[reelypiano]

No, im pretty sure that i will give up (at least for now). I've been practcing it for 1 month and I can play smt like 1 bar :p

I don't like czerny. I feel guilty about don't practice an Etude, because they demand a lot of work but give a great reward. I think that learn pieces that are not etude is the "good" part. I need at least one etude for practcing.

Don't play Czerny then! Oh and do practice the chopin, but you have to realize that you can't possibly get it up to speed yet. Learn the whole thing slooooowly. And let it be. And you bloody don't need an etude  I'm a piano student going for a career, and yes, I play etudes, but not all the time, and only if there's something I know I need to work on. Do not feel obliged to practice etudes if you don't want to. They're a lot of work you don't really need to put yourself through, because you can get the very same technique from practicing pieces.

And don't feel guilty. I have lots of time not practicing an etude. I don't feel guilty, neither should you.

V

[keyboardclass]

Chopin used Cramer's etudes with his own students.  You can see the germs of his own in them.

[countrymath]

Thank you! I'll try something else, reely. Something is saying me to give up for now :p

[keyboardclass]

In fact Cramer's were the first Etudes to be performed as concert pieces (another idea Chopin went away with).

[sharon_f]

I did Cramer right before I started on Chopin.

[pianisten1989]

Chopin also made his students play Clementi's "Gradus ad parnassum". And as a teacher at Sibelius tells every new student "You need to do the big 3 Cs - Cramer, Clementi, and Czerny"... and always play some bach, every day.

Also, you should play scales and arpeggios.

[countrymath]

Chopin also made his students play Clementi's "Gradus ad parnassum". And as a teacher at Sibelius tells every new student "You need to do the big 3 Cs - Cramer, Clementi, and Czerny"... and always play some bach, every day.

Also, you should play scales and arpeggios.

I will change the last C for Chopin

Edit: MY GOD! Cramer Etudes are so beautiful!