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Offline ragnarok

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Rank these Bach pieces
on: June 24, 2011, 05:13:24 PM
The traditional Bach progression, from what I've gathered on this forum, is:

Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach
Notebook for Wilhelm Friedemann Bach
Little Preludes
Two-Part Inventions
Three-Part Inventions
English Suites
French Suites
Partitas
Well-Tempered Clavier
Goldberg Variations

Would anyone care to tell me where these miscellaneous works fit in, in terms of difficulty or preferable learning order?

Toccatas (any, though specifically one in D minor)
Italian Concerto
Fantasia in C Minor
Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue

Thank you!

Offline asiantraveller101

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Re: Rank these Bach pieces
Reply #1 on: June 24, 2011, 06:40:35 PM
First off, the ranking is very arbitrary. The reason is that the pieces in all the sets, range in level of difficulty. Some WTC Preludes are "easier" than the 3-part inventions. Some 3-part inventions are as difficult as the fugues in WTC. However, It is a known fact the English is "harder" than the French, due to its length and additional preludes, and complexity of the compositional technique. I would rank the Fantasia among the French. The partitas rank among the English.
Italian is difficult due to 3-movement form, and I would rank it among the keyboard concerti.
To tackle the toccatas and the chromatic fantasy, one would have been exposed to the fugal playing of the WTC.
In conclusion, once the ranking passes beyond the 2-part inventions, the level of difficulty is extremely arbitrary! I am sorry to say that this reply may not be the answer you are looking for. My apology, ragnarok!
Ps. My music professor in college assigned 2-part inventions to his students in undergrad. The rationale? it has to be played flawlessly and with conviction! Difficulty not in terms of notes, but on interpretation and presentation.  ;D

Offline nanabush

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Re: Rank these Bach pieces
Reply #2 on: June 24, 2011, 07:11:17 PM
Anyways;

I'm not too sure about all of them, but generally the pieces in the notebooks are easy (comparatively).

Some of the little preludes I've had a harder time with than the 2 part inventions.  At the time that I was doing Grade 6-7-8 RCM, left hand trills would be the death of me.  But, some of the 2 parts are tougher.

Intermediate:
-little preludes/2 part inventions

Later:
-2 part inventions/sinfonias

Laaaater:
-sinfonias/WTC

WTC, Suites and Partitas cover such a range of difficulty in technique and voicing that you can't compare each set as a whole.  Add the Toccatas, Italian Concerto, Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue, and you've got some of his more difficult writing.

Again... some movement from some of the Suites are quite easy to learn, and some of the other ones could be much more difficult.  It's so subjective!

I did the English Suite in G minor last year, and the Bb minor Prelude and Fugue BK1 the year before (after having done the C minor, D major and G major P/F from book 1) and I can say that the G major fugue from the WTC was the hardest out of any of them for me, followed by the Bb- Fugue (for completely opposite reasons too!).  I've never worked on a Partita, but apparently those are very tough to COMPLETE.
Interested in discussing:

-Prokofiev Toccata
-Scriabin Sonata 2

Offline bachbrahmsschubert

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Re: Rank these Bach pieces
Reply #3 on: June 24, 2011, 07:55:29 PM
The first post says it all.

You cannot compare works of a different set as some are easier than others. You can only compare works that are of the same set of compositions. Comparing French suite 5 to 3, P&F From Book 1 and book 2, etc.

Though without question, the Goldberg Variations are Bach's most difficult works for keyboard. The concertos are nothing to scoff at either.

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