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Trois études de concert No.3 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
« on: June 26, 2011, 04:22:46 AM »
Tell me what you think!...Sorry for the page turns....Its been 3 weeks and is a work in progress


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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #1 on: June 26, 2011, 07:32:19 AM »
Does it work for anyone? Doesn't work for me... :(

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 11:10:47 AM »
Nope - there's something wrong with the MPG file. It's only 10 Kb big which is about a frames worth of video.

Obviously they've uploaded the wrong file, or it's corrupt.

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 11:42:38 AM »
I downloaded it and played it in windows movie maker. It's only 7 sec long, and it's not a single sound in there.

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 08:11:58 PM »
sorry I tried converting the file but it did not work... I have a mac computer so maybe that had to do with it. I am going to work on and try and fix it .

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 11:05:42 PM »
Lol ok. I was able to put it on youtube...so it should be up now....also that piano I used was a practice piano so the quality is not the greatest. It's my first time so bare with me.lol

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #6 on: June 28, 2011, 10:36:04 PM »
No comments? :'(

I am going to make a better recording soon on a better piano! ;D

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #7 on: June 28, 2011, 10:52:24 PM »
No comments? :'(

I am going to make a better recording soon on a better piano! ;D
Is Un Sosprio a recent Liszt discovery? I have to admit that I've never previously heard of it. If so, I'm sure that Humphrey Searle would have been delighted at its emergence.

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 11:23:56 PM »
No, it's not a recent discovery but I just heard of it last month and started working on it because I fell in love with it

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #9 on: June 29, 2011, 05:53:59 AM »
He's making fun of your spelling of Un Sospiro. Yes, he does feel it worth his time to do things like that.

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #10 on: June 29, 2011, 06:25:17 AM »
Yay, one more of those "I listen to modern music, therefore I'm better than you". Ah, I love it! Is there any greater 'commercial' for modern music than that? All of the people that listens to it are complete asses... Go back to your Sorabij-forum and find a perfect meaning for the word "the"...

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #11 on: June 29, 2011, 08:12:46 AM »
He's making fun of your spelling of Un Sospiro. Yes, he does feel it worth his time to do things like that.
Not fun, exactly - and, whilst I do not necessarily feel that it is worth my time to point out this error, the amount of time that it actually took to do so was so vanishingly small in any case that your reference to it seems to be somewhat unconvincing. Surely Liszt deserves to have his titles spelt correctly? There's nothing inherently wrong with that, is there?

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #12 on: June 29, 2011, 08:18:16 AM »
Yay, one more of those "I listen to modern music, therefore I'm better than you". Ah, I love it! Is there any greater 'commercial' for modern music than that?
What exactly is "modern music" and, more importantly in the present context, what does it have to do with a work by Liszt?

All of the people that listens to it are complete asses
Ignoring your delightful grammatical solecism here, the possibility that "all of the people" that listen to anything, whatever it may be, share one characteristic other than the sheer fact that they listen, is sufficiently implausible to be risible.

Go back to your Sorabij-forum and find a perfect meaning for the word "the"...
What has the Sorabji forum got to do with the present subject? (apart, of course, from the fact that many of its members are admirers of Liszt, as was Sorabji himself). As to your remark about finding a perfect meaning for the definite article, I can only hope that you know what you mean by making it!

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #13 on: June 29, 2011, 08:58:56 AM »
You just don't get it do you? You clearly don't see that you're such a spoiled brat, thinking you're better than everybody else, only because you listen to "modern music"... What now that has to do with anything. The only ones listening to your music is either you (thinking you're miles ahead of Beethoven)  or your closest friends (who probably understands it only because you wrote them a 2 billion word essay about what the piece is about, and the meaning of every note).

And oh, I think it's more importantly to study music than study how to correct people on the internet. I guess we have different priorities there...

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #14 on: June 29, 2011, 09:51:58 AM »
Great work for three weeks! A better pianist than me will probably be able to post useful advice here; as far as I'm concerned you've said it's work in progress and the fact you've got this far in three weeks means you know what you need to work on next.

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #15 on: June 29, 2011, 10:59:36 AM »
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Beethoven
In line with your comments on 'modern music' (whatever it may mean), I cannot help but wonder what you would have thought of Beethoven's 3rd symphony if you (or your precarnation) would have been present at that classical (not at all modern!) work's premičre. Probably much the same as you write here about the present day's 'modern music'. Something on the line of "I would give three Groschen if this racket but would stop!"?

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What exactly is "modern music" and, more importantly in the present context, what does it have to do with a work by Liszt?
Why wouldn't it be possible to see Liszt's Sonata as a "modern" work? Or Beethoven's last quartets? Or JSBach's Kunst der Fuge? I consider them all 'modern' in that they have lost not one bit of their original importance, originality, power and suchlike. In a way, you could say that some "modern" music is obsolete by now, while some other old music is "modern"!

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The only ones listening to your music is either you (thinking you're miles ahead of Beethoven)  or your closest friends (who probably understands it only because you wrote them a 2 billion word essay about what the piece is about, and the meaning of every note).
This you base on....what? I would not dare declare myself to be one of Alistair's "closest friends" (rather than one of his more noisome acquaintances), but I listen to his music and like it, and NOT because of what he has written about it (in general or to me), but simply because I like the music. In fact, I think I may have written more about his husic to him than he has done to me. Moreover, I do think that if I did not like one note of his music (after listening to it attentively of course, as one should do with any piece of music before stating a like of dislike) and did tell him so, he would quite accept my (honest) dislike. But he can comment on that matter more clearly, of course!
Please do accept the fact that people not only can but are in fact legally allowed to like music you do not like.

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #16 on: June 29, 2011, 11:13:40 AM »
You just don't get it do you?
I don't "get" what?

You clearly don't see that you're such a spoiled brat
True - but "spoiled" by whom and how?

thinking you're better than everybody else
Did I say so? No. Do I consider myself to be so? Of course not!

only because you listen to "modern music"
What's "modern music"? why should I not listen to it? what makes you think (if indeed you do) that I listen to little or no other music? and what's this got to do with a piano work by Liszt?

What now that has to do with anything.
Is that supposed to be a sentence?

The only ones listening to your music is either you
For one thing, the subject here is a piece of music by Liszt, not by me - and, for another, you can have no idea who listens to my music, so please cease and desist from pretending otherwise.

(thinking you're miles ahead of Beethoven)
I am - chronologically; in other ways, hardly anyone is.

or your closest friends (who probably understands it only because you wrote them a 2 billion word essay about what the piece is about, and the meaning of every note).
I probably write less about my work than most people do, preferring to let it speak for itself; I have never cared to write about it and do not wish to distract any listener from listening by writing about it.

And oh, I think it's more importantly to study music than study how to correct people on the internet. I guess we have different priorities there...
Then your attempt at guesswork is fundamentally flawed, since I have done and continue to do the former but have never done the latter. In fact, I was unaware until you drew attention to it that it was even possible to study how to correct people on the internet, so you evidently know more about that than I do - perhaps because you've done it yourself...

Would it now be too much to expect that the attentions of readers of this thread turn to a piano work by Liszt?

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #17 on: June 29, 2011, 11:23:42 AM »
considermyself
What, and by whom, is the term considermyself?

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Re: Liszt ...un sosprio
«Reply #18 on: June 29, 2011, 11:41:02 AM »
What, and by whom, is the term considermyself?
I'm not sure that this supposed question would be worth answering even if it was a sentence, but not to worry; I note that answering questions directed at your own observations and returning to a discussion of a piano work by Liszt are each either above you, beneath you, beyond your capability or any combination of the three. Never mind!

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Re: Trois études de concert Étude No. 39 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #19 on: June 29, 2011, 12:27:55 PM »
He's making fun of your spelling of Un Sospiro. Yes, he does feel it worth his time to do things like that.

Oh..opps....lol. ::) Let me fix this. I always manage to misspell musical titles.  (It's not the first time)
Not fun, exactly - and, whilst I do not necessarily feel that it is worth my time to point out this error, the amount of time that it actually took to do so was so vanishingly small in any ase that your reference to it seems to be somewhat unconvincing. Surely Liszt deserves to have his titles spelt correctly? There's nothing inherently wrong with that, is there?
;D

Well being how he didn't not come up with the title himself, he probably would not care much. Either way by looking at other people's post I am definetly in good company with plenty of spelling and gramatical errors. An english teacher would have a field day on forum (on my writing most of all ::)).

Now that the title is fixed , can we get back to discussions about the music??? ;D

Yay, one more of those "I listen to modern music, therefore I'm better than you". Ah, I love it! Is there any greater 'commercial' for modern music than that? All of the people that listens to it are complete asses... Go back to your Sorabij-forum and find a perfect meaning for the word "the"...
Wow. I honestly had no idea what he was talking about. I though he was talking about someone personal like his grandpa or something. ::) Obviously I am not a fan of modern piano music. Modern music sounds like they got a toddler to bang out some random motives on the keyboard. Does this person actually make music that has melody, harmony, and enjoyable to listen to? I want to know before actually look him up because the modern music I did listen to had me quickly changing the channel.

I honestly do not get the "I am better than you part" because I feel most purist like me could give you a whole lecture on Liszt and have a question mark for the other guy.

 
Great work for three weeks! A better pianist than me will probably be able to post useful advice here; as far as I'm concerned you've said it's work in progress and the fact you've got this far in three weeks means you know what you need to work on next.

Thanks I appreciate the comment. Yes, it is definetly not flawless ( I want to see if people can hear my errors too :P), but it is on it's way, I am sure it would sound better if it was recorded on a better piano and with technology higher than a cellphone but this was also an experiment with technology on many levels for me. I can actually play all the sections correctly just not all in the same performance yet. I am debating on making better performances with different technology. Hopefully when I do, I spell the title right!

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Re: Trois études de concert Étude No. 39 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #20 on: June 29, 2011, 01:05:37 PM »
Oh..opps....lol. ::) Let me fix this. I always manage to misspell musical titles.  (It's not the first time) ;D
Don't worry about it; typos happen all the time - I've certainly been guilty of a few in my time!

Well being how he didn't not come up with the title himself, he probably would not care much.
Maybe - maybe not; much might would presumably depend upon what he'd have thought of the idea of that title being allocated to the piece in the first place.

Now that the title is fixed , can we get back to discussions about the music??? ;D
As you may have noticed, I've been trying to advocate that myself!

Wow. I honestly had no idea what he was talking about. I though he was talking about someone personal like his grandpa or something. ::)
Who? pianisten1989? If so, once again, don't worry, as you're not the only one who has no idea what he/she's talking about!

Obviously I am not a fan of modern piano music.
Why is that "obvious"? And how would you personally categorise "modern music"? (I ask only for the sake of trying to understand what you mean by it when you refer to it, given that the term means many different things to many different people).

Modern music sounds like they got a toddler to bang out some random motives on the keyboard.
What? ALL modern music (whatever that is)? Really?

Does this person actually make music that has melody, harmony, and enjoyable to listen to? I want to know before actually look him up because the modern music I did listen to had me quickly changing the channel.
Which person? Moi?

I honestly do not get the "I am better than you part" because I feel most purist like me could give you a whole lecture on Liszt and have a question mark for the other guy.
I don't get it either, so I'd not bother yourself about that if I were you!

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Re: Trois études de concert Étude No. 39 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #21 on: June 29, 2011, 02:41:49 PM »
mcdiddy1, before you get into it, don't bother with this guy. He WILL have the last word, he will also nitpick everything you say and junk up your thread with hot air. Best just to stop. There is a 100% chance he will quote and respond to this as well.

Anyway, you've got a great start on Un Sospiro (which is concert etude 3, not 39, btw.)
The distortion makes it too hard to listen to completely, though. When you update it with a better microphone I'll check it out again. I just played this at a wedding, the couple requested it as a recessional.

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Re: Trois études de concert No.3 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #22 on: June 29, 2011, 02:52:35 PM »
mcdiddy1, before you get into it, don't bother with this guy. He WILL have the last word, he will also nitpick everything you say and junk up your thread with hot air. Best just to stop. There is a 100% chance he will quote and respond to this as well.

Anyway, you've got a great start on Un Sospiro (which is concert etude 3, not 39, btw.)
The distortion makes it too hard to listen to completely, though. When you update it with a better microphone I'll check it out again. I just played this at a wedding, the couple requested it as a recessional.

Lol well I don't mind. I don't claim to know everything which is evident in my inability to get the title right! People will say their opinions but ultimately I decide whether it is one I will take seriously.

Yea I need better audio equipment beside a cellphone!. What kind do other people use or do they just record in on their keyboards?

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Re: Trois études de concert Étude No. 39 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #23 on: June 29, 2011, 03:37:18 PM »
...nitpick...

Un Sospiro (which is concert etude 3, not 39, btw.)
So if you point out an error, that's OK, but if someone else does, it isn't? How interesting!

Why anyone's making such a fuss about this minor issue is quite beyond me. Advising the odd errors and corrections here and there is not "nitpicking" in any case; would you prefer that no one ever mentions any of them? If so, you really shouldn't have stated (correctly) that this study is the third in that set.

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Re: Trois études de concert Étude No. 39 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #24 on: June 29, 2011, 03:45:30 PM »
So if you point out an error, that's OK, but if someone else does, it isn't? How interesting!

Obviously you don't see it.

By obviously, I mean: It's clear for everybody, but you and your little fan group.
By you, I mean: You, Ahinton
By don't, I mean: do not.
By see, I mean: notice something obvious.
(By obvious I mean: It's clear for everybody but you...)
By it, I mean: ... Well, the fact that you don't see it makes it rather pointless to explain.
By well, I don't really mean anything. It's just a word that I like to use.
By the fact, I mean...

(this is OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY the only way to make you understand. Actually, it's the same way with my 4 year old niece...)

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Re: Trois études de concert Étude No. 39 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #25 on: June 29, 2011, 04:08:16 PM »
Obviously you don't see it.
Yes, it should be obvious that I don't see what isn't there.

By obviously, I mean: It's clear for everybody, but you and your little fan group.
Oh, so you are charged with the authority to speak for "everybody", are you? - well, "everybody", that is, other than me and a "little fan group" that exists nowhere outside your imagination...

By you, I mean: You, Ahinton
Thank you for this confirmation; your previous statement was less equivocal about that.

By don't, I mean: do not.
By see, I mean: notice something obvious.
I've had no difficulty in understanding that in the first place.

(By obvious I mean: It's clear for everybody but you...)
That's dealt with above; you're now repeating yourself.

By well, I don't really mean anything.
I'd assumed as much about most of the rest of what you wrote, actually.

(this is OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY the only way to make you understand.
Now you're really repeating yourself! And quite what it is you think you are "making" me understand remains unclear, since you can have no charge over what I do or do not understand.

Actually, it's the same way with my 4 year old niece...
If that's the way in which you deal with her, I feel sad for both of you, but if you want to try to get her to see things that don't exist and pretend to her that you can speak for almost "everybody", then be my guest...

Back to Liszt, anyone?

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Re: Trois études de concert Étude No. 39 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #26 on: June 30, 2011, 03:55:41 AM »
So if you point out an error, that's OK, but if someone else does, it isn't? How interesting!
I didn't sarcastically insult his error.

Back to mcdiddy1, I use a Zoom H1 recorder, videotape with another camera, amplify the recording, and synchronize it with the video in Windows Movie Maker. It sounds complicated but it's not too tough, and the videos have nice sound quality that way. My last Youtube videos were done this way.
Warning: not classical!

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Re: Trois études de concert No.3 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #27 on: June 30, 2011, 04:57:16 AM »
Yea the quality is very nice. I am going to have to improve my technology. My mac has a webcam though, so I will try that and see if that is better. I didn't think of that until now.

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Re: Trois études de concert Étude No. 39 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #28 on: June 30, 2011, 06:57:20 AM »
I didn't sarcastically insult his error.
Fair comment - but why, then, would you assume that I did do so, as you seem to imply? Where's your evidence?

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Re: Trois études de concert Étude No. 39 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #29 on: June 30, 2011, 07:50:37 AM »
Fair comment - but why, then, would you assume that I did do so, as you seem to imply? Where's your evidence?

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You're the one that goes ot all the time, so...

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Re: Trois études de concert Étude No. 39 (Un sospiro) by Liszt
«Reply #30 on: June 30, 2011, 09:08:27 AM »
You're the one that goes ot all the time, so...
What does this mean (if anything)? -and, if it does indeed mean anything (and subject to what it may mean if so), on what evidence do you make this claim?

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