Please excuse me if I didn't make a useful topic for you but for me it is quite important. I have to make a study about dramatic pieces like Scriabin Op.8 No.12, Impomptu Op.12 no.2 and many other. I thought that if I'll ask about "The most dramatic piano piece ever written" I'll found new pieces that I didn't know about.
But unfortunately I started other topics that offend and discourage some people from posting. Some write about English grammar in this forum, others become snobbish and a little melodramatic about definitions of words.
Please do not turn this topic into your own fun. If you think this topic is not interesting, find one because there are over 1000. Nobody forces you to give reply. I have a purpose and I'll not give up because someone doesn't understand the meaning of the word "dramatic". You can fnd this unprecedented word in a dictionary and after dozens of hours of depth please write on the forum. 
But it's not a shame to be a robot. The only problem is you have to change your oil 45 times a day. 
And I was quite explicit: drama = drama (a combination between tragedy and comedy ). In music, drama consists of shades, a climax which is exaggerated and rubatos.
My apologies if my inquiry offended you. My point is simply that what you meant by the adjective "dramatic" was not clear. You have stated that the greater the combination between tragedy and comedy is to be found in a piece, the more dramatic it is. I appreciate this clarification, and thus remove Finnissy's 4th Piano Concerto from the list of my nominations, since, while the piece does fit my definition of the word which must not be mentioned (nor defined, of course), it can be hardly deemed humorous.
As a somewhat random aside, in his biography of Beethoven, Lewis Lockwood (at the very end of it) describes Beethoven's Quartets Opp. 131 and 135 as "the greatest tragedy and the greatest comedy Beethoven ever wrote" (or something like that).
I think Thal makes an excellent point 
So you have no interest in defining the word "dramatic". It does not matter anymore, though, since "pianovlad1996" has already proven my point. Different people understand this word differently.
Can I come out now? I take it the spelling-correcting, pedantic, definition-seeking dullards of the Street have temporarily been vanquished?
Sordel and Hinty, shut the *** up, you're boring the arse off me now.
Isn't Sorabji just a great big pile of wank?
How true [said in respect to a remark about Alistair by "pianovlad1996", for which its author later apologized]
Go *** yourself[,] ["sordel"]
Ah, so not only are you disinterested in sober discourse, but you are actually a troll. Of course, only somebody with a giant ego would include the word "baron" in his own forum username.
How is that an insult?
You don't know? Well, let's have another look at your post:
So that know-it-all people can live their life by correcting other's spelling mistakes (on the internet) and being wise asses about what "Dramatic" is.
I see the following insults:
1) "know-it-all people", which is basically synonymous with the word "smartasses"
2) "can live their life", which implies I have no life
3) "wise asses"
Apart from that your post is rude, in that it is completely off-topic and includes a sassy ad hominem attack, which adds nothing of value to this discussion. You also haven't apologized for your false accusation that I'm living my life by being a "wise ass", even though I have shown it to be unfounded.
If Haydn wanted to write a very dramatic piece (sorry if you don't understand what I mean..) he probably could.
And he did. You might like to check out the following article:
https://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/may/29/joseph-haydn-comedy-classical-musicThis, of course, is presented here because of "pianovlad1996"'s definition of the word "drama".
Why I insult you? Well, I would more say "Make fun of", but you do that very well yourself, so I don't really need to.
Really? Do I "do that very well"? When have I ever insulted (or made fun of) myself? Perhaps you meant to write "you do know that very well yourself". Even then I still don't understand it, simply because it has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. You should have posted such a comment where it belongs, but you didn't. And why? Because in that other thread, I silenced you by pointing out that [Franz Joseph] Haydn's musical output does not consist solely of piano sonatas, which is a fact you are too proud and self-righteous to both admit and accept.
Now I will go and listen to something that a dear super famous friend wrote yesterday. I don't listen to anything but super modern music. Because of that, I am better than everybody else.
You really are going to present this sort of crap? Let me ask you several questions:
Has it never occurred to you that you such a statement is severely offensive in the eyes of those who are passionate about the more "radical" compositions of the 20th and 21st centuries? Tell me, would you ever say such a thing to a close friend of yours? What do you think of the following text?
Yay, November 4, 2004
By ["]rattfink["]
This review is from: ["]Classical Music for People Who Hate Classical Music["] (Audio CD)
Thank God these people took the time to compile this collection, now I can just get this and don't have to bother figuring out what's good and what's not good. Everything classical that's worth listening to is here. If it's not included, it must not be worth listening to. Even if it is, who cares, I'll never waste my time trying to find out. And to all you snobs who think you're so intellectual and know every friggin symphony number and composer that ever existed, give yourself a pat on the back for being better than everyone else.Source:
https://www.amazon.com/review/R3Q8MTJQZN7TE9/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000003QWH&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=Would you take it lightly if somebody came to you and told you something like this? Your consideration (or, more accurately, lack thereof) for others' feelings is truly appalling. As is your ignorance of much of what happened in music during the last century.
Bach Prelude (and fugue) in C minor from Bk 1, though the prelude is far more dramatic than the prelude, imo.
I agree, the prelude is way more dramatic than the prelude.
That darn old piece? No! That's at least several days old! I was thinking of the monumental "Opusium Choiricombum for silence, 2 frogs and a dead tree" it takes between 1 sec and a trillion years to complete. You'll recognize it by listening to the long fermata the dead tree is holding until the silence comes in with a great forte. It was written tomorrow... That's how modern it is!
Well.. My title isn't even real words! They are bloody post-languagism! Since it's a both post and an -ism I just made up, it's better than anything. I don't care if only I care about the music, that means that I am better and more intelligent than you!
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU'RE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you take the time to read the responses , you will see why we make fun of you people... But I guess that's too much to ask for from such a superior species as yourself.
I rest my case.
Though, I'm not sure what you mean by "best" Is it a tribute to George Best? Or is it maybe "The best - Alistair" or what, I don't get it? :S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S
STOP GOING O.T. IN EVERY SINGLE POST YOU PEDANTIC SSA!
He clearly said that you should get the h-ll out if you didn't want to give him any advice. So please, GET THE H-LL OUT OF THIS TOPIC!
Ahinton, stop trying to act like such an important person, and go back to the freaking topic!
There, you said it ["Hi, I'm very important. In fact, I am very much more important than you."]. Can we, please stop this useless argument?
Just like "redbaron", you are a troll who doesn't mind ceaselessly provoking others. You are also one of the insensitive and disgusting posters on this site.
Before I respond to this, can we agree on a definitive definition of the word "to".
Look Thal, I don't have any particular problem with you. However, what's the point of keeping telling a joke until it is no longer funny? Several years ago, your behavior was quite reasonable:
I am afraid of 20th Century music.
My musical tastes are very simple. If a piece has a nice melody, a nice fast and slow bit and ends with a bang, i am happy.
Much of the 20th century music i have listened to is too complex for my ear. I feel i need a music degree to listen to it.
My roots are in the Romantics and that is where i will remain.
Thal
Thal,
I beg of you to be nice to Mr. Hinton and others who may inquire about Sorabji, ok? With over 6000 submitted comments to your credit I would like to believe that you are a reasonable chap.
Cheers.
I sometimes fail.
Thal
Why can't you have this attitude nowadays? A joke from time to time is perfectly acceptable and even refreshing, but in this thread you have gone too far, I think.
As far as the topic is concerned: the best combination of tragedy and comedy that I can think of in piano music is to be found in Beethoven's
Diabelli Variations. Those of you who are not familiar with the piece should check it out, as it is one of the greatest pieces ever penned (in my book, at least).
Topic: What's the most dramatic piano piece ever written?