Beethoven Moonlight Sonata 3rd Movement - Tricky Bits

[kace90]

Hello everyone, im new to this forum.

Ive completed grade 8 piano and decided to learn how to play this piece, considering the need for dexterity but not too technically difficult, I believe this is the next best step.

Anyway there are some areas where my fingers simply cannot cope, I need better fingering but cant seem to find it, whatever combination I try.

In particular is the trills on bars 30 and 32, my fingers are to weak to do them properly.

Please suggest a suitable technique/fingering.

Also for bars 33-34, this repeated passage of notes, my current fingering is 123-12321-234-12321-234 etc, whilst it works its not that brilliant, and I was hoping for any better suggestion that I could try.

So far I have learnt up to the beginning of bar 43, but I hope to resolve these issue before continuing. Im open to any suggestion, please help. Thanks.

[pianowolfi]

You have no time for long trills there. I just do a turn a# b a# g# a# Most pianists do that. Fingering 35323. The second trill: 45434. The result is a 5 over 4 polyrhythm with the left hand sixteenths which I don't mind, as I love polyrhythms   

For the other passage I'd recommend 123 13432 123 13432

[iratior]

You figure 88 half-notes per minute, so 176 quarter-notes per minute, so even a septuplet of the form A#BA#BA#G#A# within the time of a quarter-note would be 1,232 notes per minute -- anything more than 1,000 notes per minute is of debatable playability, unless it is, say, a part of a glissando.  So I agree with pianowolfi that one simply doesn't have time here for a long trill.  I also agree with his suggested fingering in the ensuing measure.  When you get to the eighth-note chords for the right hand, above the tremoloed G-sharps in the base, I recommend eschewing use of the thumb.  Artists disagree on how to play the cadenza after the upwards chromatic run towards the end.  Rudolf Serkin preferred to do it at the pace of the eighth notes in the first movement, which I think has a nice unifying effect on the performance as a whole.  However, I see that Artur Schnabel calls for "brillante, con fuoco, non troppo presto", so his view must also be respected.

[quantum]

Possible alternate:
123 12432 123 12432

I agree with the use of the turn.

[kace90]

Thanks everyone for the help, the turn and the suggested fingering is a lot easier, using it now. Other problems might crop up later, ill post it here rather than starting a new topic.