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[Rach3]

I have a cool trick for you, matt_black, its called 'finger independence'; it looks really impressive, and its easy once you know it! Look up Ernst Dohnanyi's "Essential Finger Excercizes" and learn them.

After that, you can start really making money and impressing girls.

[matt_black]

GoAnSoNGo

Yes this is the Boogie Woogie Stomp from the film the Majestic almost. The original was written by Pintop Smith and called 'Pinetop Boogie Woogie' , he taught this to Albert Ammons who changed the Bass line slightly and played it faster giving it the name 'Boogie Woogie Stomp'.  The version on the film the Majestic is played by Jim Cox [I think] and is not the same as the original [it has parts of the original combined with new parts and he plays a few different Bass lines... Pinetops, Alberts as well as some walking bass lines etc... The version on the Majestic is excellent even if not close enough to the original to be called the same name....there is no sheet music as far as I know to this version but you can purchase the CD soundtrack to the film, there are many recordings of the original both as a solo piano and from Albert Ammons and his Rhythm Kings  - I am not sure if there is sheet music and the problem with this kind of music is that:

- two recordings of the same piece will not be the same so you can only bass a transcription on one recording
- the recordings are very fast and not the best quality and so an exact transcription is difficult and even with music technology and the ability to slow the wav files down there would never be full agreement on the right way.

One way to learn these is by ear and talking to others that play this style [just as the original pianists of this genre did during their cutting sessions] and if you can find sheet music use this also but not alone as you may not fully agree with someone elses [the person transcribing it] opinion of what is being played.the original - it has some elements from the original and lots of new bits

[Sketchee]

After playing classical piano this long, I really think there are a lot of tricks to Liszt, Chopin, Beethoven etc.  They're not instant and you have to practice them but it's often simpler than it sounds to the general audience.  It can be as simple as arpeggiating a chord to make a piece sound "fast".  Still not instant or easy.  

Sometimes someone will hear me playing a Liszt etude (or Ravel or Chopin or whatever) that they like and ask me to teach it them.  Often it's someone who already can read music since I'll be in the music hall ata school. Usually I can get them playing a page of it or so in an hour just showing them the "tricks" of the piece and I point to the music even though I'm feeding them the memorization of it.  Then when we've made it that far I tell them "See you could have done that straight from the music I'm just showing you what's there." Quite a few of them see that it's not as intimidating and I've seen them performing some intermediate level pieces.

Anyway, I'd recommend C. C. Chang's piano book it's free online and fairly helpful: https://members.aol.com/cc88m/PianoBook.html


BTW, I caught the Play Piano in a Flash show on PBS.  Now that is a joke!  The guy gives a lot of blatantly false information about classical piano; he's not teaching classical piano but "everything else".

[DarkWind]

Ravel didn't write any Etudes!

[matt_black]

always a smart arse darkwind

[PianoPeanutAJS]

Hey, this was all about trying to get tricks and shortcuts to make the song easier, that's cool, but it would be cooler if you could play the whole song without tricks and shortcuts, and just play the sheet music. I also realize that you just wanted some handy tricks, and there's nothing wrong with that, so, nothing else to argue about  

Trying to help...
-AJS

[Derek]

matt_black: Here's a couple of neat tricks/runs/whatnot I use in my improvisation from time to time.

At the end of an improvisation (particularly one emulating the Romantics) its fun to do this kind of run. Its very easy to play. Its easiest to do on the black keys.

For example: Start on C# with your pinky in the left hand, let your index finger fall on the G# and then let your thumb fall on the C#. Immediately use your right hand to play the G#, C# and G# above. Then move your hands up an octave, and go all the way up the keyboard!

Here's another trick you can do with your right hand, also very easy to play. This pattern of fingering seems to lend itself well to several different keys, but I'll illustrate it in B major:

start with your middle finger on A#, then hit B with your thumb and let your ring finger hit the C#. Now hit A# again with your middle finger, then F# with your index, then let your thumb hit E. Hit the D# below the E with your middle finger, then hit E with your thumb, then F# with your ring finger. To complete the octave, play D# with your middle, C# with your index, and B with your thumb. Back where we started, only an octave lower! See where this is going? Its a rather nice descending run which pivots nicely off of obvious places in scales where your thumb fits easily.

Where did I learn these tricks? They are simply the result of physical convenience at the hands of an obsessive improviser.

To those who have assumed otherwise: I hate playing electronic keyboards. Something about acoustic pianos and the sound coming directly from me, not just from intellectual musical patterns in my head but from the biochemical energy in my body....creates much more spiritual satisfaction, for me, than if the energy in the sound comes from a massive coal plant hundreds of miles away.

[DarkWind]

always a smart arse darkwind

I mean, Ravel is like only my favorite composer and I've listened to basically all of his works except for a few songs for piano and voice, and I know basically the whole history to those pieces and could most likely recite them from memory, and I know just about everything about him, but hey! What do I know?

[matt_black]

who's a clever boy then?

[Egghead]

I mean, Ravel is like only my favorite composer and I've listened to basically all of his works except for a few songs for piano and voice, and I know basically the whole history to those pieces and could most likely recite them from memory, and I know just about everything about him, but hey! What do I know?

DarkWind, could it be that matt_black is actually just jealous? Ignore him. Not only do you know, you know better. You said all that needs saying in one of your earlier posts in this thread.

Egghead
p.s. I look forward to matt_black entertaining everyone with highly original jokes about my name. That is why I chose it  . Just a pity I won't be reading his witty remarks.

[Sketchee]

Ravel didn't write any Etudes!

I know he didn't.  I own every piano solo piece he wrote in sheet music and cd form (It's not that many.)  and Jacques Charlot's solo piano transcriptions. I just meant or a piece by Ravel or Chopin.  

[Medtner]

You wrote this:
[Do you think great pioneers [poor Black Americans from YOUR Country] of early Jazz, Blues, Boogie Woogie, Rag such as Pinetop, Albert Ammons, Jimmy Yancey, Meade Lux Lewis, and Pete Johnson, Scott Joplin, Jelly Roll Morton, Duke Ellington, Fats Waller could affor d to eat out when they learnt piano?]

My response is that you've got some real racist stereotype problems. I know for a fact that Duke Ellington and I think Fats Waller both came from very wealthy families. I don't know about everybody in the list, but it's ridiculous to make such remarks without actually researching it.

To tell you the truth, I spent my money where it meant the most: to the teachers, and now I'm one helluva piano player. No, I don't have grand pianos or keyboards sitting in my house like you, nor can I even afford the ones that I want (import taxes in this country are horrendous). And I didn't intend to spend all my money on such instruments if I couldn't play them, that's why I paid to learn how to play. And now with these abilities I can make a living. You know, it's just like a scientist who spends a lot of money on his teachers and degrees and schools. He's not going to learn all the science tricks off of some website on the internet and then call himself a scientist and expect to get a job and win the Nobel Prize. (In our case that would be 1st place at the top competitions).

So stop whining, sell your pianos, and pay for a good teacher. You know, buy a bus ticket and go get your 7th chord.

By the way, there are a lot of good players from 3rd world countries as well. There was a classmate of mine in university, Ashan from Sri Lanka, and he was an extremely good pianist. There was an Indonesian who won a major European competition in recent years. Etc, etc. Even Russia's a developing country. Would you dare say there aren't any good pianists from Russia? And much of the world 150 years ago would be considered 3rd World by today's living standards, so what about all those composers who published their music for the commoners to play and entertain themselves at home because the only music was live music?

So please think first before you say these things.

Kolya

[Spatula]

I know he didn't.  I own every piano solo piece he wrote in sheet music and cd form (It's not that many.)  and Jacques Charlot's solo piano transcriptions. I just meant or a piece by Ravel or Chopin.  

I dunno, try Naxos.com and see his composing history under composers.  It might have it or not.  Just check it up.

[DarkWind]

I dunno, try Naxos.com and see his composing history under composers.  It might have it or not.  Just check it up.

Have what?

Oh and Sketchee, where on EARTH can I find thes sheet music for La Parade? I've been searching for it for ages...

[Spatula]

Have what?

Oh and Sketchee, where on EARTH can I find thes sheet music for La Parade? I've been searching for it for ages...

www.naxos.com

A website collection of composers and their works but I don't know it is fully empassing most or all of classical music.

[c_vince]

I actually came to this forum in search for a bit of help with Chopin's Revolutionary Etude, but I ran into this thread which proved quite entertaining...

Its so angry tho.. Can't people accept the fact that matt is an amateur pianist? Comparing an amateur, who enjoys tinkering around with pop songs, with a professional, or a student who can play an entire beethoven concerto is like comparing apples to oranges.

DarkWind: There is no reason to fight. If you disagree with matt's points (which I do) just let it be. His 'unestablished' idea of music is different from yours. You are just hurting yourself, trying to convince him to follow your idea, because it just isn't going to happen.

Matt: nobody here is a snob. We appreciate our type of music for what it is. I personally listen to pop, and rock, but I don't appreciate it the way that I appreciate classical music. There is a certain depth in classical music that people like yourself cannot comprehend. I am not trying to sound offensive, but judging from your remarks, you obviously do not appreciate classical music as us classical musicians do.
Get one thing straight tho.. professionals/students don't use "tricks" that you can learn in 30 minutes. They spend hours and hours a week practicing technique (scales, arpeggios, chords, etc.), which is the closest thing to a "trick", but it is essentially the  basis of all music. Practising technique is like practicing the technical aspects of music in general. Not a certain motif that "sounds cool", and can be learned in under ten minutes.

now.. back to my question about revolutionary.. in another section of this forum. I hope people don't yell at me for asking how to play the left hand without getting tired. This thread has scared me...

[Spatula]

I actually came to this forum in search for a bit of help with Chopin's Revolutionary Etude, but I ran into this thread which proved quite entertaining...

For repretoire and music aid and make shift tutorials you can start a post there.

For sheet music:

https://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/

set your internet cookies off

[DarkWind]

www.naxos.com

A website collection of composers and their works but I don't know it is fully empassing most or all of classical music.

1. I have the recording, just about everything of Ravel except his songs and L'Enfant et les Sortileges.
2. I asked for sheet music.
3. Naxos is a pay service now.

Sorry, your effort was in vain.

[DarkWind]

DarkWind: There is no reason to fight. If you disagree with matt's points (which I do) just let it be. His 'unestablished' idea of music is different from yours. You are just hurting yourself, trying to convince him to follow your idea, because it just isn't going to happen.

You don't understand. At all. He came in, posted a thread of a rather useless trick. We berated him softly and told him it was rather amateurish and useless. He gets pissed off like if we had just insulted his God or something, and he starts making jokes, on our names, which has absolutely no worth, even in humor, which would have salvaged some of his posts, but they were drier than the Sahara on a sunny day. He starts making fun of our names, as I said, then starts fighting back like if his trick was some sort of prophetic message and we were all heretics for disbelieving him, then he starts boasting about his pianos and acts like if we are supossed to be impressed, then it all somehow digressed in to questioning his morals. I come in and be blunt to the truth, he's acting like a complete moron. Then he starts making "humorous" (assuming the definition of humorous being "something so completely, unfathomably stupid that it lowers the IQ of anyone near enough to hear this phrase") remarks of my name, saying it somehow relates to my flatulence. Then he starts making ridiculous hypothetical situations, saying I would use this nickname as my actual persona in concert, to the laughter of the audience. This all degrades into him looking bad because of his stubborness and unwillingness to admit that people didn't like the trick, and that it holds no merit to anything. If anything, I didn't need to insult. His replies have been so ridiculous that he has basically made fun of himself. Let me take an example.

you say I quote:
======================
'Everyone who can once in a while afford to go to a restaurant, to go to a concert or theatre or football match, who can afford to have a mobile phone or cable TV HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO ONCE IN A WHILE AFFORD A TEACHER. Period. '
======================
[a period is something a women has once a month]

What on earth does that last line have to do with any of the discussion henceforth put by our more interlligent peers? It contributes nothing to discussion, it's just a plan childish remark. A period, in case he didn't know, is a kind of punctuation, just like the one that ends this sentence. But his childish mind decided to interpret it another way. I think I've said enough.

[c_vince]

For repretoire and music aid and make shift tutorials you can start a post there.

For sheet music:

https://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/

set your internet cookies off

When you say "start a post there" what do you mean?

[Tash]

DarkWind: There is no reason to fight. If you disagree with matt's points (which I do) just let it be. His 'unestablished' idea of music is different from yours. You are just hurting yourself, trying to convince him to follow your idea, because it just isn't going to happen.

yeah, what the hell? matt was paying out darkwind's name darkwind wasn't really fighting at all i'd say he's taking this in at least a more mature way than matt- i'm still not over the whole let's pretend we're in primary school and make fun of people's names who probably just wrote it for a laugh anyway.

grow up all of you (including myself for i am an immature brat and most probably a snob too and proud of it cos it's fun) this is the most ridiculous thread in this forum and probably should be deleted

[Sketchee]

Have what?

Oh and Sketchee, where on EARTH can I find thes sheet music for La Parade? I've been searching for it for ages...

Hey DW.  Sorry it took so long to reply.  I went through every book I have and realized La Parade wasn't in there.  I contacted CLB Management who manages Alexandre Tharaud, a pianist who has recorded this piece.  They informed me that the piece isn't published right now but soon will be by Salabert: https://www.salabert.fr/

[Spatula]

1. I have the recording, just about everything of Ravel except his songs and L'Enfant et les Sortileges.
2. I asked for sheet music.
3. Naxos is a pay service now.

Sorry, your effort was in vain.

WHAT A PAY SERVICE?
Those Classical Capitalist Bast@rds!  Makes a grumpy face  

[Spatula]

When you say "start a post there" what do you mean?

I meant you can start a new topic of whatever you wanted to talk about

[DarkWind]

Hey DW.  Sorry it took so long to reply.  I went through every book I have and realized La Parade wasn't in there.  I contacted CLB Management who manages Alexandre Tharaud, a pianist who has recorded this piece.  They informed me that the piece isn't published right now but soon will be by Salabert: https://www.salabert.fr/

Awesome!

[cellodude]

I actually came to this forum in search for a bit of help with Chopin's Revolutionary Etude, but I ran into this thread which proved quite entertaining...

Its so angry tho... I hope people don't yell at me for asking how to play the left hand without getting tired. This thread has scared me...

You got scared by this thread? :D :D :D :D Then you better not go into the 'Anything but Piano' section, especially the religious discussions, without adult supervision  ;).

Seriously though, if you don't misbehave and post erroneous statements as facts you won't get shot down. matt_black's mistake is really not knowing who he was talking to and what he was up against. My advice, if you care for some, is to lurk around a bit before posting (I actually lurked around this forum for 3 months before registering and posting). Read as many threads of interest to you as possible to get a feel of the community and see how you can fit in and contribute. Even if you cannot contribute if you ask nicely (wisely, intelligently) there are people willing to help here.

Welcome to PF!

Oh! BTW, don't ever refer to the pieces you are practicing as 'songs'. For that you get capital punishment here on this forum  ;).

TTFN (Ta Ta For Now),

dennis lee

[matt_black]

Dennis Lee

What are you on about - Matt Black does not know who he is talking to - do you believe you are a superior being of some kind...are you saying that the only people who are supposed to post messages on here are an elite?!?!? I have made no mistake on this forum my friend - if i posted a message and there were no replies then i would agree with you but my posting has attracted  lots of readings/replies and lots of good debate/banter/mickey taking all in good humour - you yourself bothered to reply therefore you must have been interested enough..........

[cellodude]

Dennis Lee

...- you yourself bothered to reply therefore you must have been interested enough..........

Only for the laughs, silly! After a morning haggling with users about system bugs and software functionality I need to check to see if my funny bone is still functioning so I head for this thread during lunch   . For intellectual stimulation I read the other threads here  .

Actually I was welcoming a new member and couldn't resist a whack at your head with a clue stick. Sorry you didn't understand. Please read my ealier post again. I assure you there is no feeling of superiority.

And if you read my advice to c_vince again and did as suggested you will find from my other posts on PF that I am one who will run away from a fight. So, if you are looking for one, you've picked the wrong guy.

And if after 2 pages of exchanges you still don't understand that playing the piano is not about a bag of tricks to impress girls, well... I agree with tash this thread should be retired.

TTFN (Ta Ta For Now)

dennis lee

[matt_black]

dennis Lee - i have never said that piano playing was about a bag of triks - i have said that a scale or argegio is a collection of notes played in sequence moving up or down a keyboard - you can call a collection of notes what you like - a scale a trick a run? what difference does it make? ultimately I would not be incorrect in saying that Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu is a collection of runs and tricks on an 88 note instrument with white and black keys on it. Call it what you want dickhead !!

What is the relevance of you spending hours with users haggling about functional requirements and bugs!! this is a piano forum not an IT geeko discussion board

[johnjwong]

matt_black, I'll teach u something cool!!

I don't know for english or other language's pop song, but for cantonese, most of the chords goes like this:

C G Am G F Em Dm G
and repeat...

So cool, i can play all cantonese pop song with this method, songs by hacken, joey, deep, etc...

I think this method works for english songs too like the "Titanic" use this method.

Good Luck Trying ^_^

[alvaro_galvez]

No, I believe its simpler now
Heres the divisions...

Intro
C G Am F repeat about 4 times

Verse
C G F G (x4)

Chorus (like intro)

Verse

Chorus

Bridge (Now heres the tricky part )
Am G F (repeat 2 times)

Chorus (x2)

End

There you have it!!!
Thats what you´re looking for right Matt?
Hahahaha, what a joke!

[alvaro_galvez]

Oh!! I forgot!
Heres the best set of tips you will ever hear!!

1.- Get a piano or a digital or whatever with weight on the keys.
2.- Pick up Czerny technique exersices, Hanon, and Clementi Sonatinas.
3.- Practice 4 hours a day.
4.- Continue for 10 years.

Stick to this method and you MAY get somewhere!!  

Arse whole...

[matt_black]

alvaro galcock

i have some advise for you instead of wsting other peoples time on this forum calling me ass hiole why dont you just email me directly on mattblack9000@yahoo.co.uk and we can make arrangements to meet up and discuss it face to face

[DarkWind]

dennis Lee - i have never said that piano playing was about a bag of triks - i have said that a scale or argegio is a collection of notes played in sequence moving up or down a keyboard - you can call a collection of notes what you like - a scale a trick a run? what difference does it make? ultimately I would not be incorrect in saying that Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu is a collection of runs and tricks on an 88 note instrument with white and black keys on it. Call it what you want dickhead !!

What is the relevance of you spending hours with users haggling about functional requirements and bugs!! this is a piano forum not an IT geeko discussion board

This is an example of your main problem (although listing every single one would make everyone's browsers crash because of the sheer size.) Let's take your idea. Say you composed something. You just don't go up to a person and say, "Hey, look at my sequence of notes and chords that have been arranged in such an order as to make a pleasant sound!" That would be pure idiocy. You could just as easily call it a composition. If Fantasie Impromptu is nothing but a sequence of notes to you, get off this board right now. You take music as a superficial object, it's nothing more but playing a bunch of notes in the correct succession in order to be able to produce music. If that is actually your take on it, then what you are making is sounds, not music. Music isn't all play this note, now that one, now that one, ooh we have a melody! No, it has more to it. It takes deep emotion to play the saddest of elegies. It takes a fiery passion to play some of the most wildest pieces. A robot would never replace a human at piano. Apparently, you must play like a robot, as a robot is the only thing that would consider music "a sequence of notes."

Oh yeah, I also have a trick for you. It's called playing with emotion. Oh wait, that's not a trick! And it can only be learned by people who actually understand music. Sorry.

[alvaro_galvez]

alvaro galcock

i have some advise for you instead of wsting other peoples time on this forum calling me ass hiole why dont you just email me directly on mattblack9000@yahoo.co.uk and we can make arrangements to meet up and discuss it face to face

HAHAHAHAHA!!! I´d be glad to kick your behind anyday man!!
Just what country are you from?? If you live in Bolivia (South America) I could make some time for you but since your crap mail ends in UK I guess you´re not from around.
It´s easy to pretend to be such a big man over the net punk, why not just shut your untalented face and find a pop forum where you belong...

Just close this sh*t, it no longer has a point.

[matt_black]

DarkFlatulance

You miss the point [which is not really surprising] - music is as old as mankind itself [thousands of years old]. Early man created music using both rhythm and variations in pitch and variations in the duration of each pitch using a variation of timbres etc...they just did not give it the same notation and names that Western Music Notation does.
Records of Western music before 200 AD are extremely limited because few attempts were made by ancient cultures to preserve music using notation systems. However this does not mean that there was no music or it had no feeling, emotion, genius etc..a recent dig in the Ukraine uncovered musical instruments made from the bones of a woolly mammoth dating back to 18,000 B.C. - there is no way you can tell me whether the music played on this instrument was any good or not but you can be sure of one thing
- whatever was played was a sequence of noises at varying pitches of varying lengths etc.....
It is quite conceivable that the comment you made is a rough translation of the kind of comment that man has used many times in his own language having just created a piece of music that includes passion, emotion etc...
'Hey, look at my sequence of notes and chords that have been arranged in such an order as to make a pleasant sound!" - they may not have called them notes and chords but that does not matter.
Western music notation is simply a recording medium just as tape, record, CD, MP3 at the time when this recording medium was invented the technology did not exist to record music in many other ways - it is a very good recording medium as the composer can enter a lot of detail about the how the recording should be physically played so that people can play them by sight etc...
You say to me that 'If Fantasie Impromptu is nothing but a sequence of notes to you, get off this board right now.' Well I did not say that it is nothing but a sequence of notes to me, however I did say that it is a sequence of notes.  
That is a fact and you can not debate it Fantasie Impromptu is a sequence of notes of differing lengths played at differing rhythms. I did not say it was good, bad, ugly etc....I happen to like it but all these things are a matter of opinion at the end of the day.
So I am saying that you can call things scales runs, sequences of notes, arpegios, chords, turnarounds,tricks ...call them what you like...does not make Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu any better or worse however you describe it...and western music notation is the medium on which it was recorded at the time the composer recorded it...this does not mean someone who does not read music of this notation could not play the piece, if they had the technical ability and were shown by someone else they could play it and they could call it a sequence of notes if they wanted to...and they would be factually correct in their description of it

[matt_black]

alvaro_galvez
you assume i have no talent - that kind of talk backfires on people  who make assumptions about other people that they nothing about.

i have not judjed anyone elses talents onhere simply because unless I met them and could not make a fair judgement

[Spatula]

Matt, it seems that you think every one is picking a fight on you but all of us just want to chat, not get into arguments.  Don't take other peoples comments personally because a majority of us want to help others.  Just because someone says that one of the piano tricks or techniques you said wasn't appreciated by someone is their problem, not yours.  If you think that what you have accomplished in your study of piano is to your liking, then you should be satisfied and not be emotionally dictated by what others think (although I must confess I rag on 14 year olds who want to do the Rach 3 like its no bodies business).

Your first post was welcoming for ideas but after that when people said negative things its natural for you to retaliate but don't do that ( I know I sound stupid), just look for the helpful stuff and scroll past all the other junk in this board.

So cheer up and try not to get into fights okay?

Peace man

[cellodude]

... Call it what you want dickhead !!

What is the relevance of you spending hours with users haggling about functional requirements and bugs!! this is a piano forum not an IT geeko discussion board

"Ridicule is the first and last argument of fools" - Charles Simmons

And to the others:
He who knows not and knows not that he knows not,
he is a fool – shun him;

[Isn't Google great? Here's the rest for interest sake.]
He who knows not and knows that he knows not,
he is simple – teach him;
He who knows and knows not that he knows,
he is asleep – wake him;
He who knows and knows that he knows,
he is wise – follow him.
Arabian Proverb

Whatever point this thread has left is, well, pointless. Yeah, let's close this... No wait! Let's keep this for laughs

DL

[cellodude]

... Yeah, let's close this... No wait! Let's keep this for laughs

DL

Sorry. I couldn't resist. Yeah, we should all just shut up and move on. I'm outta here, man.

DL

[schmetterling]

Matt: Going into a forum of dedicated classical pianists who really love music for the beauty of music rather than cheap tricks and fancy fast-banging-and-arms-flailing performances and asking for "tips" is like asking an olympiac gymnast to show you some 'neat spins and flips' to show off a bit. It's insulting. Of course, each person can enjoy music as they wish, and if your goal is to make a book so you can play things like the loudest chords or fastest trills or double chromatics with the damper pedal for effect or juggle pottery on your chin while playing the piano with your teeth then go ahead...but you've made yourself sound like an imbecilic idiot.

[matt_black]

schmetterling news for you I love music too - I really dont know what you are gobshiting on about

People keep saying dont get upset and emotional by the replies to me - I am not I enjoy a good bit of banter/argument/debate otherwise I would not be arsed enough to bother reading the replies and replying - just like the other poeple who are argueing against me if they were not having a god laugh about it they would not bother

iits just a laugh

[Tash]

Matt: Going into a forum of dedicated classical pianists who really love music for the beauty of music rather than cheap tricks and fancy fast-banging-and-arms-flailing performances and asking for "tips" is like asking an olympiac gymnast to show you some 'neat spins and flips' to show off a bit. It's insulting. Of course, each person can enjoy music as they wish, and if your goal is to make a book so you can play things like the loudest chords or fastest trills or double chromatics with the damper pedal for effect or juggle pottery on your chin while playing the piano with your teeth then go ahead...but you've made yourself sound like an imbecilic idiot.

well said

[one_wing3d_ang3l]

quit flaming matt u fags. not every1 can afford lessons like myself who have to resort to this.(like i do)
i managed to top my school by doin wah he is doin. that is by asking 4 advice and tricks. matt u have the talent of perfect pitch. jus listen to the music ur trying to play and fix ur mistakes.

[Spatula]

 Don't take other peoples comments personally because a majority of us want to help others.  Just because someone says that one of the piano tricks or techniques you said wasn't appreciated by someone is their problem, not yours.

Peace man

AHEM!  

[mozartgonebad]

quit flaming matt u fags. not every1 can afford lessons like myself who have to resort to this.(like i do)
i managed to top my school by doin wah he is doin. that is by asking 4 advice and tricks. matt u have the talent of perfect pitch. jus listen to the music ur trying to play and fix ur mistakes.

uh...

I dont think a guy could top a school by going around in piano forums asking for what matt_black calls "general tricks of the trade for professional/amateur pianist/keyboard player".

o ya and btw, u CAN get girlz by playin classical...ask my skool's girls...they go positively crazy over me when i play mozkowski's f major etude...lalala

all that was from pure practice...and no TRICKS  
u Could spend ur whole life trying to find tricks...or u could be in a win-win situation, practice hard, then u get good classical playing, good pop playing, and there u have some girls. ...it all depends on what u want to do

BUT, i don't really care what the hell u choose to do...

DYK
(yes, those are my initials, and i look forward for u make fun of them as 600 ppl b4 u)

[Spatula]

uh...

I dont think a guy could top a school by going around in piano forums asking for what matt_black calls "general tricks of the trade for professional/amateur pianist/keyboard player".

o ya and btw, u CAN get girlz by playin classical...ask my skool's girls...they go positively crazy over me when i play mozkowski's f major etude...lalala

all that was from pure practice...and no TRICKS  
u Could spend ur whole life trying to find tricks...or u could be in a win-win situation, practice hard, then u get good classical playing, good pop playing, and there u have some girls. ...it all depends on what u want to do

BUT, i don't really care what the hell u choose to do...

DYK
(yes, those are my initials, and i look forward for u make fun of them as 600 ppl b4 u)

Hmmm a new way to pick up girls... I must test this hypothesis.

[schmetterling]

Matt: you've misread what I said, so please don't jump to conclusions. I never stated nor implied that you didn't "love music", only that people here did. The two are not mutually inclusive, please formulate a complete argument before telling me that I'm 'gobsh*tting'.

The joke really is on you, because you seemed to have missed the fact that the majority of people here don't take you seriously as a musician. You seem to be unable to comprehend the fact that you've made yourself sound like an idiot by needlessly insulting people. The issue here is not about the expense of piano teachers, nor the dedication of certain musicians on the forum. It's quite simple: to each their own. If you enjoy piano gimmicks, go ahead - but don't go around asking those who believe in practise, technique and patience for 'tips'. There is no quick and surefire way to play the fastest runs, loudest octaves or most extravagant arpeggios. Even if there were, music about the sound that you produce, not about the keys you hit.

Here's a trick for you though: Stand on piano, tap dance, apply damper, repeat as necessary.  

[matt_black]

'schmetterling' - an anagram of 'stench met girl'

a description of your first and last date

[rph108]

ah... matt black... you add so much pleasure and amusement to our lives