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Offline cioffi

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Need some advice
on: August 03, 2011, 12:17:57 PM
Hey im nick and im 18, just joined the forum... ive been playing piano for 4 years now. Never had lessons,schooling. I compose, play by ear, read notes, all to perfection. I know everything about the piano and composing. I have learned bach and many other famous composer's music by ear. Which i tested to see if every note i hit was correct and it was. Tested by a professional pianist with 25 years under his belt. I compose every genre of music. You tell me something you want to hear and i will throw it together within 2 or three minutes perfectly. I dont know how i am able to do all this, or why. before taking my keyboard out of my closet and just playing like ive been playing for years I was never interested in music. But now im so passionate about it, its all i want to do. I have 4 cds all different genres. 1 is classical, 1 is jazz, 1 is symphonies, 1 is dramatic. I am not a guy who thinks he is talented but hes not, i was offered several scholarships. I just really want to know where to go with this. My goal is to become a concert pianist,composer for anything, i really just want to enlighten the lives of others with my music.    but i need to know what i should do, go to school? or just start working on getting my music out there. Thanks everybody.

Offline pbryld

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Re: Need some advice
Reply #1 on: August 03, 2011, 12:29:07 PM
School.
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Offline nyiregyhazi

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Re: Need some advice
Reply #2 on: August 03, 2011, 12:36:49 PM
Hey im nick and im 18, just joined the forum... ive been playing piano for 4 years now. Never had lessons,schooling. I compose, play by ear, read notes, all to perfection. I know everything about the piano and composing. I have learned bach and many other famous composer's music by ear. Which i tested to see if every note i hit was correct and it was. Tested by a professional pianist with 25 years under his belt. I compose every genre of music. You tell me something you want to hear and i will throw it together within 2 or three minutes perfectly. I dont know how i am able to do all this, or why. before taking my keyboard out of my closet and just playing like ive been playing for years I was never interested in music. But now im so passionate about it, its all i want to do. I have 4 cds all different genres. 1 is classical, 1 is jazz, 1 is symphonies, 1 is dramatic. I am not a guy who thinks he is talented but hes not, i was offered several scholarships. I just really want to know where to go with this. My goal is to become a concert pianist,composer for anything, i really just want to enlighten the lives of others with my music.    but i need to know what i should do, go to school? or just start working on getting my music out there. Thanks everybody.

Quite honestly, this reads very much like some bizarre fantasy. Perhaps you could start by posting a video of your playing so we can tell you whether it enlightens our lives or not? Perhaps you'd like to spend 3 minutes perfectly "throwing together" an Etude in the style of Chopin and post it for us?

Generally, those who hold themself in high regard turn out to play like this:



If you do have a rare talent for music (rather than fantasy), you need to learn both how to use it and how to exercise some basic humility. There's no shortage of people who can do impressive things by ear or who reach a surprisingly good standard. However, none of them play with the artistry of a Horowitz or Cortot- or generally with anything that approaches even the most average concert artist. Even if you do have a truly remarkable talent then, instead of speaking boastfully about it, you should go out and start discovering quite how much you still have to learn. If you don't, that applies all the more.

Offline liszt1022

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Re: Need some advice
Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 02:46:59 PM
If you're playing advanced classical repertoire by ear, you cannot possibly be playing it all to perfection, because you'll just be parroting one person's interpretation, and miss a lot of details on phrasing and note values that are in the score. At best you'll be playing something that sounds a lot like (piece name.)

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Re: Need some advice
Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 03:57:58 PM
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Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 10:07:48 PM
I have that rare talent. and i do play advanced classical repertoire by ear perfectly because i would listen to it and study the way the song moves

Offline mcdiddy1

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Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 04:55:23 AM
Hey im nick and im 18, just joined the forum... ive been playing piano for 4 years now. Never had lessons,schooling. I compose, play by ear, read notes, all to perfection. I know everything about the piano and composing.

So in 4 years you learned everything there is to know about the piano? Really? Perfection? Would love to hear it. I think it depends on what your level of "perfection" is. If you go to a top notch musical school I think you will learn there is much more to playing the piano than playing the right notes.

I have learned bach and many other famous composer's music by ear. Which i tested to see if every note i hit was correct and it was. Tested by a professional pianist with 25 years under his belt. I compose every genre of music. 

Which Bach piece are you refering. Minuet in G is not exactly mindblowing difficult. Now Bachs Chromatic fantasia and fugue would be very impressive. When you say hit each note, that seems to indicate you are more interested in note accuracy rather than tone quality. "Hitting the right notes"  is impressive to lower levels of musical sofistications but it will not cut it in the world of professional music making.

I have 4 cds all different genres. 1 is classical, 1 is jazz, 1 is symphonies, 1 is dramatic.

You have four professinal cds ? Dramatic is a not a musical genre and do you mean you transcribed symphonies for the piano?

but i need to know what i should do, go to school? or just start working on getting my music out there. Thanks everybody.

I think if your dream is to create music it is never to early to start. Why not do both? I think you would greatly benefit from school because based on some of the statements in your post there seem to be areas about music you are oblivious about such as musicality, history, and something that cannot be taught : experience.

I grow sceptical when someone says they know everything about the piano because the piano repertoire to vast to be completely mastered by on

Offline zolaxi

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Re: Need some advice
Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 11:49:05 AM
Just get out there and do it while you still know everything.

Offline pianoman53

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Re: Need some advice
Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 05:09:27 PM
Start by posting something here...

Offline scott13

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Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 02:13:13 AM
Taking your attitude to classical music schools / universities will not end well. No school will admit somebody who in his own opinion has mastered everything, meaning then you would be a better player than the professors as not even they are arrogant enough to think they know it all.

Arrogance does not take you anywhere in classical music. Why not learn some humility before you post here again ?

Also where are these fantastic recordings? I would love to hear your rendition of Chopin Op 10 #1 'by ear' when some of the greatest pianists "Horowitz was one, Ashkenazy was another" who remarked that this was perhaps Chopin's most challenging composition. While your there the Liszt and Rachmaninov Etudes would be nice to hear by ear as well.

And seeing as you seem to believe you are the epitome of perfection, where are all 48 preludes and fugues from Bach's Well Tempered Clavier ? Where are all 32 Beethoven Sonatas ? Where are the Chopin Ballades, Etudes, Preludes and Polonaises? I literally could fill an essay with standard repertoire for piano that i doubt you have mastered. 

Also anybody resembling a half-educated musician would know that "dramatic" is not a musical genre.
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