Strange Glissandos in Rachmaninoff Sonata

[in_love_with_liszt]

I may just be looking at a strange PDF of the first Rach. Sonata, but there are alot of strange glissandos indicated in the music that I've never heard any pianist actually play. Are you really supposed top play these glissandos? How are you supposed to do it if you do? If anyone needs the link to the PDF I can give it to you.

[in_love_with_liszt]

Here, I clipped an example of what I'm talking about:

[liszmaninopin]

I don't feel that they're glissandos.  At least when I learned the work, I just regarded them as helping to direct the performer to understand the secondary melodic lines of that section.  Also, as you said, I've never heard a pianist play glissandos there, so I'd guess that they have some other meaning.

By the way, how do you clip a part of a score onto a post?  There've been a few times I've wanted to do that.

[in_love_with_liszt]

Hmmm well I'll agree that it doesn't seem possible for those to be glissandos....but that is the sign used to indicate a glissando....oh and about clipping a section of the score, you'll either need the PDF or a scanner to scan your music, and then you'll need a program to crop the area you want and highlight or circle the specific section (You can even do this with paint) and then you'll need a website you can upload the picture onto, and depending on the website type you might need an FTP.....theres a thread about doing this if you don't have your own website:
https://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=misc;action=display;num=1092278697

[liszmaninopin]

Yeah, I know that such a symbol would normally be used to indicate a glissando, however, most of the time it is also marked "gliss."  And, one has to consider the context.  That is a lyrical passage of sorts, and a glissando right there simply would not make sense.

By the way, thanks for the link!

[Rob47]

Yeah, those lines are referring the performer to where the melody is going as it switches between hands.  Look at the opening of LIbestraume 3 by Liszt.  He also indicates the melody transference from hand to hand in this way. The tenuto marks above each note are further indication of which note in the chord should sing out.  Horowitz was incredible at this sort of thing.

your friend

Rob

[pianiststrongbad]

Those aren't glissandos.  Those are lines to help you see one of the melody lines.  I have seen this before.  An example can be the slow portion of Rach Prelude op. 23 no. 5

[in_love_with_liszt]

Ok so I'm stupid. Thanks for clearing that up though.

[Rob47]

No, in_love_with_liszt, I'm stupid for further elaborating on a question that had already been answered. A stupid person wouldn't learn such a great Sonata. Keep at it.

your friend

Rob

[liszmaninopin]

I just wish to back you up here in the assertion that this is a great sonata.  I love the piece, and I consider it the greatest sonata of the Romantic period, the only other real contender IMO being Liszt's B minor sonata.

[in_love_with_liszt]

I just wish to back you up here in the assertion that this is a great sonata.  I love the piece, and I consider it the greatest sonata of the Romantic period, the only other real contender IMO being Liszt's B minor sonata.

True dat.

[Motrax]

Would you happen to have the score somewhere online, or could you email it to me (the_tzarr@yahoo.com)? I've been very interested in learning the piece, but I haven't been able to find sheet music for it.

Thanks,

Motrax

[liszmaninopin]

there are books available with the score for sale, here is a link to the book that I own on sheetmusicplus.com:

https://sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=AP.6-418855&cart=33026899531006970&searchtitle=Sheet%20Music

To get the pdf free online, go to this website:

https://www.piano.ru/rah.html

The seventh blue link from the top (in the center of the page) is the link to the first sonata.  Just right click, save target as, name it, and download it.

[Motrax]

Thanks a lot! Incidentally, I can read Russian, but I don't have a Russian font on my computer so the website shows as just plain gibberish. Does that site also have his preludes and etudes by any chance?

Edit: Nevermind, the filenames are in English and pretty self-explanitory, so I can just read those. Thanks again!