Original Rach3 Cadenza (not Ossia)

[dlu]

Does anyone know of any recordings where the performer plays the original cadenza and not the popular Ossia. I have muddled through it but am anxious to see how a proffesional interprets it. The two recordings I have (Ashkenazy, and Kissin) both play the Ossia cadenza. Do you think it would be possible for a performer to play both cadenzas back-to-back and it not sound weird and make musical sense?
Also, I just got the Kissin recording yesterday and in the CD booklet thingy it says he plays another Ossia in the third movement (measures 237-238). What page in that on in the Dover edition? I flipped through the third movement and there is no ossia staves above the original. Is it not included in this edition?

[dlu]

sorry, I meant an ossia in measures 237-238

[abe]

Didn't Rachmaninoff write alternate cadenzas for the concerto himself? That's what I read, and it said one was more intricate in the passagework and the other one more chordally difficult.

I may sound ignorant, but what is Ossia?

[pskim]

Horowitz plays the original cadenza.  Also Rachmaninoff himself played the lighter textured cadenza too.

[rhapsody7900]

I have a recording of Andre Watts playing the first part of the original cadenza with the ossia climax, actually works kinda nice.

Martha Argerich plays the original cadenza as well.

[aki]

David Helfgott plays the original cadenze in Shine.  You can get the soundtrack.

[aki]

rachmaninoff wrote two cadenzas because he only had 20 minutes to record that movement and since the original cadenza is harder to play, he didn't think he'd be able to fit it in that short period of time.  That's why he wrote the ossia, which he can play faster.

[Nightscape]

I'm not sure which cadenza my recording has, but the pianist is Boris Berezovsky.  The cadenza he plays is for me the emotional climax of the first movement, and I think it's the ossia cadenza, because it has large chords and covers the whole range of the keyboard.  I wouldn't want a different cadenza than the one he plays.

[dlu]

Wait! David Helfgott in the movie shine plays the ossia cadenza which is more popular. Am i wrong? Don't think so. Could you all please give your answers again now that we all know that the one Kissin and Ashkenazy play(the more complex one, not the fast one) is the ossia with all of it's big, fat chords. The simpler one (at least as it says in this Dover edition here) is the original and the one that restates the opening theme in those chords written above it on two slightly smaller staves is the ossia as well. Could you all please restate your answers accordingly.

[Rob47]

I read somewhere, I think, maybe I was told, that the original cadenza is the big grandiose one, but Rachmaninoff thought it was too much for the 1st mvt so he wrote the quicker scherzo which suits a faster tempo (horowitz, argerich).  It is by no means easier, at least the build up to it is much more difficult I think.  And if you ask me the 3rd movement "fat chords" marked cadenza(top pg. 77) are the real cadenza. despite being only one measure, those chords are frickin enourmous.  Horowitzs great pianists recording of that one bar is incredible.

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Rob

[dlu]

I read somewhere, I think, maybe I was told, that the original cadenza is the big grandiose one, but Rachmaninoff thought it was too much for the 1st mvt so he wrote the quicker scherzo which suits a faster tempo (horowitz, argerich).  It is by no means easier, at least the build up to it is much more difficult I think.  And if you ask me the 3rd movement "fat chords" marked cadenza(top pg. 77) are the real cadenza. despite being only one measure, those chords are frickin enourmous.  Horowitzs great pianists recording of that one bar is incredible.

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Rob

What page is that in the dover edition of his first three concertos in full score?

[mh88]

i have also heard that what is now marked Ossia in the score was actually the original Cadenza but Rach cahnged it because he felt it was to powerful for the first movement...many people have mentioned people that play the Cadenza as it is marked now, most recognizable is Horowitz (both legendary recordings), and Argerich...the Ossia however, I feel is more powerful and much more fun to play, the best recording I've ever heard of the Ossia is done by Alexei Orlovetsky...brilliant
Lang Lang also does an........interesting..........interpretation of the Ossia, as he usually does with any piece

[stefano]

ok here is what actually is the original.  the fast fluttery one , is the easier one and i believe was written first.  The Ossia is the huge one that kissin and volodos play.  The big one is more difficult and Horowitz didnt thought it didnt suit the first movement, but I dont particularly care about Horowitz playing . Listen to Volodos, its amazing.

[brewtality]

i read that the long cadenza was written first but is called the ossia cadenza for some reason.

[Spatula]

The only 2 cadenzas I know are the "Fast" and "Slow ones"

David Helfgott and Kissin play the slow one

Horowitz and Argerich play the fast one.


if that helps any

[Spatula]

Lang Lang plays the slow one too if I recall.