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« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2017, 04:11:27 PM »

For those who don't like Cage's 4'33, how do you feel about periods of silence within a piece of music? I can't think of any specific examples at the moment but I know I've heard music with long periods of silence (up to 30 seconds or so) that seemed to fit perfectly within the overall work.

WITHIN THE OVERALL WORK

And what the heck piece has a silence for 30 seconds?  That's long
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« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2017, 04:14:52 PM »

But 'mindless' is exactly the type of music Cage was into making.  Separating the artist from the work of art takes genius.


He says he wants to separate himself from his work but the piece is still called CAGE 4'33 so he's contradicting himself

Nobody ever said 'hmm I wonder who wrote 4'33'  EVERYONE knows who it is

He ain't no genius
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« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2017, 04:23:44 PM »

For those who don't like Cage's 4'33, how do you feel about periods of silence within a piece of music? I can't think of any specific examples at the moment but I know I've heard music with long periods of silence (up to 30 seconds or so) that seemed to fit perfectly within the overall work.

The aflat minor chord in op. 61 is brilliant, but what makes it great isn't the chord itself but the context in which it's used in. Just because I like the intro doesn't mean I'd enjoy a 4:33min long piece of nothing but a flat minor chords and call it genius.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2017, 04:33:08 PM »

John Cage was not a genius.
That doesn't mean he didn't have the odd stroke of genius.  On youtube somwhere you should find a TV show appearance where a toaster accidentally goes on fire Smiley  
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« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2017, 04:36:34 PM »

I think 4'33 is of importance from a philosophical viewpoint; whether it is a piece of music is almost moot imo. It should be remembered that Cage was into aleatory music, and 4'33 might be the ultimate inversion of more "normal" ways of producing such music. Do look into Ligeti's Poeme Symphonique for 100 metronomes; I've always assumed it was a very funny satire on aleatory music.
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« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2017, 04:38:01 PM »


He says he wants to separate himself from his work but the piece is still called CAGE 4'33 so he's contradicting himself
Surey a rose would smell as sweet?  I doubt you know anything about is oeuvre.  The amount of illeducation in this tread beggars believe.

edit: that's just too wierd.  I was about to mention Ligeti and the metronomes!  Still, most lkely lost on the kids in this thread.

Of course then there's Varèse and his airpane engine! and don't get me started on the Futurists!

edit 2: Tell a lie, the airplane engine may have been George Antheil - Bad Boy of Music.
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« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2017, 05:08:30 PM »

"…and the sound of the freeway evokes a day at the beach…" (by a Cage devotee  who hasn't yet jumped ship).

So, Zen me up, Johnny.
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« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2017, 06:06:07 PM »

Well one thing is for sure, John Cage invented new age piano music in 1948. Why didn't he continue writing this type of stuff instead of flying off the rails like a madman?

https://youtu.be/mOePXzqpD-8
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« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2017, 06:32:02 PM »

The prepared piano works are especially sweet.
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