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Offline chopinlover96

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My next Chopin Nocturne
on: December 10, 2011, 07:47:25 PM
I have been able to play the Chopin Nocturne Op9 No2 in E flat for sometime (about a year) and i thought it was about time to learn another Chopin Nocturne. I was wondering which of these three nocturnes would be a logical step forward in terms of difficulty.

-Nocturne Op15 No1 in F
-Nocturne Op32 No2 in Ab
-Nocturne Op37 No2 in G
Chopin-Waltz Op.42
Brahms-Intermezzo Op.118 No.2
Field-Sonata No.1
Beethoven-Sonata Op.14 No.1
Bach-Prelude and Fugue in B flat No.21 WTC 1

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #1 on: December 10, 2011, 08:12:50 PM
I would say Nocturne op. 32 no. 2 is the most logical next step. Compared to the one you just learned, (op. 9 no. 2) op. 32 seems it would be the easiest to interpret and it isn't as technically difficult as the other two (in my opinion). Then again, choose the one that is your favorite because as long as you work hard and it's music you like playing I'm sure you will be able to play it just as well.

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #2 on: December 10, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
I have been able to play the Chopin Nocturne Op9 No2 in E flat for sometime (about a year) and i thought it was about time to learn another Chopin Nocturne. I was wondering which of these three nocturnes would be a logical step forward in terms of difficulty.

-Nocturne Op15 No1 in F
-Nocturne Op32 No2 in Ab
-Nocturne Op37 No2 in G

I agree with William.  Op 32 No2 is the easiest.  By the way, both Op32 No2 and Op37 No2 are in the ATCL diploma syllabus, while Op15 No1 is in LTCL, so theoretically Op15 No1 is the hardest of the three.
Beethoven - Sonata in C sharp minor, Op 27 No 12
Chopin - Fantasie Impromptu, Nocturn in C sharp minor, Op post
Brahms - Op 118, Nos 2 & 3

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #3 on: December 10, 2011, 10:58:13 PM
Hmmn... How would the nocturnes compare to Schubert Impromptu Op90 No4 (which i have just finished learning, now in the polishing stages)? Would any of those nocturnes be a logical step forward or should i play something less advanced?
Chopin-Waltz Op.42
Brahms-Intermezzo Op.118 No.2
Field-Sonata No.1
Beethoven-Sonata Op.14 No.1
Bach-Prelude and Fugue in B flat No.21 WTC 1

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #4 on: December 11, 2011, 10:50:10 AM
What about the Nocturne Op48 No2 in F sharp minor??
Chopin-Waltz Op.42
Brahms-Intermezzo Op.118 No.2
Field-Sonata No.1
Beethoven-Sonata Op.14 No.1
Bach-Prelude and Fugue in B flat No.21 WTC 1

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #5 on: December 11, 2011, 06:05:38 PM
Hmmn... How would the nocturnes compare to Schubert Impromptu Op90 No4 (which i have just finished learning, now in the polishing stages)? Would any of those nocturnes be a logical step forward or should i play something less advanced?
No, I think doing a Chopin nocturne would be a fine next step after the Schubert impromptu. The schubert impromptu op. 90 no. 4 is about same general level as a lot of the nocturnes.

What about the Nocturne Op48 No2 in F sharp minor??
I think that one would be fine, in fact, most of the chopin nocturnes should be ok. Some are a little harder than others, but in the end they would all be mostly accomplishable. Just avoid the really hard ones, like these:
op. 9 no. 3
op. 15 no. 2
op. 48 no. 1
op. 62 no. 1 and no. 2
Those ones are still accomplishable, they are just known for being the harder ones.

-Will

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #6 on: December 11, 2011, 07:36:45 PM
I agree with William.  Op 32 No2 is the easiest.  By the way, both Op32 No2 and Op37 No2 are in the ATCL diploma syllabus, while Op15 No1 is in LTCL, so theoretically Op15 No1 is the hardest of the three.
Isnt the LTCL meant to be the trinity equivalent of LRSM?? If so doesnt that mean that that the Op15 No1 is a similar standard as The ballaeds which are on the LRSM Syllabus.

No, I think doing a Chopin nocturne would be a fine next step after the Schubert impromptu. The schubert impromptu op. 90 no. 4 is about same general level as a lot of the nocturnes.
I think that one would be fine, in fact, most of the chopin nocturnes should be ok. Some are a little harder than others, but in the end they would all be mostly accomplishable. Just avoid the really hard ones, like these:
op. 9 no. 3
op. 15 no. 2
op. 48 no. 1
op. 62 no. 1 and no. 2
Those ones are still accomplishable, they are just known for being the harder ones.

-Will

Thanks for the advice Will ;D

Chopin-Waltz Op.42
Brahms-Intermezzo Op.118 No.2
Field-Sonata No.1
Beethoven-Sonata Op.14 No.1
Bach-Prelude and Fugue in B flat No.21 WTC 1

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #7 on: December 11, 2011, 11:11:58 PM
Isnt the LTCL meant to be the trinity equivalent of LRSM?? If so doesnt that mean that that the Op15 No1 is a similar standard as The ballaeds which are on the LRSM Syllabus.


1) Yes, LTCL is supposed to be the Trinity and Guildhall equivalent of LRSM.  Although there seem to be people who think that LRSM is more prestigious and of a higher level.  I have also seen people wrote otherwise.  I don't really have an opinion on this as I have neither qualification.  This is probably all a bit of rilvary between the conservatoires.  
Interestingly, according to ABRSM's requirements, in order to take the LRSM exam, you must have a DipABRSM or an LTCL (i.e., an ATCL is not enough).  This seems to suggest that ABRSM regards LTCL, and not ATCL as the equivalent of DipABRSM.

2) Yes, that's true theoretically.  However, I tend to think the Ballades would be more difficult than Op15 No1.  For one thing, they are more substantial works.  I think the Ballades (except the third one, which is considered the least difficult) are in the LTCL syllabus as well.
Beethoven - Sonata in C sharp minor, Op 27 No 12
Chopin - Fantasie Impromptu, Nocturn in C sharp minor, Op post
Brahms - Op 118, Nos 2 & 3

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #8 on: December 11, 2011, 11:20:19 PM
Have you considered the E minor Nocturne, Op.72?  It's about the same level as Op.9 No.2.

Also Op27 No.2 is beautiful.  It is played quite a lot.
Beethoven - Sonata in C sharp minor, Op 27 No 12
Chopin - Fantasie Impromptu, Nocturn in C sharp minor, Op post
Brahms - Op 118, Nos 2 & 3

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #9 on: December 12, 2011, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: pytheamateur link=topic=44177.msg481793#msg481793 date=1323

Also Op27 No.2 is beautiful.  It is played quite a lot.
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I thought the Op27 No.2 was supposed to be rather difficult. It is a beautifull piece ::).
Chopin-Waltz Op.42
Brahms-Intermezzo Op.118 No.2
Field-Sonata No.1
Beethoven-Sonata Op.14 No.1
Bach-Prelude and Fugue in B flat No.21 WTC 1

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #10 on: January 01, 2012, 10:08:45 PM
My favourite:

Op 27 No.1
Very beautiful and underplayed!

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #11 on: January 02, 2012, 10:52:27 PM
What about the Nocturne Op48 No2 in F sharp minor??

Yes, this one is lovely too.  I have just started learning it myself.  It's also on the ATCL syllabus.
Beethoven - Sonata in C sharp minor, Op 27 No 12
Chopin - Fantasie Impromptu, Nocturn in C sharp minor, Op post
Brahms - Op 118, Nos 2 & 3

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #12 on: January 02, 2012, 11:15:33 PM
My favourite:

Op 27 No.1
Very beautiful and underplayed!

I totally agree....that (especially it's middle part) and op. 48 no. 1 are in my top 5 from chopin...

Btw for some reason I find op. 15 no.1 far easier from op. 32 no. 2...

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Re: My next Chopin Nocturne
Reply #13 on: January 04, 2012, 05:17:20 PM
I was thinking about waltzes and wondered how these waltzes compare to the above nocturnes.
-Grande Valse Brilliante Op 34 No.1
-Grande Valse Op 42

Thanks
Chopin-Waltz Op.42
Brahms-Intermezzo Op.118 No.2
Field-Sonata No.1
Beethoven-Sonata Op.14 No.1
Bach-Prelude and Fugue in B flat No.21 WTC 1
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