Opus Clavicembalisticum

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

Hmm... Post #100!

Anyway, it would only make sense that he would have recorded the 9th, even if he only recorded a few, since that is considered Beethoven's greatest symphony. Have you tried www.classicalarchives.com?

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

Yup, it's there, but it's only available on midi.

[luda888]

oh yea, i finished this:

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

I am curious as to who Luda is talking to when he posted that link on the site.

But seriously... how old is this guy?

And Luda, if you did finish learning the measure of the sonata, then I would love to hear it. Please record it and post it on the internet for us to enjoy. After all, I'm sure you play it perfectly, considering you are better than all of us.

[super_ardua]

 

[luda888]

tell me where i can download a recorder

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

Click on start, go to programs, accessories, entertainment, and then "sound recorder".

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

Or download the trial version of Goldwave at www.goldwave.com.

[luda888]

i dont have the stuff to record.

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

Hehe, so I guess you won't be able to prove anything to us.

[xvimbi]

oh yea, i finished this:

Question: What is so difficult about this measure? Honestly, it's rhythmically simple, six against six (could be a lot more difficult, say 6 against 18), it's not fast (vivace would be a different thing), and it's just a bunch of chords. I'm not saying that it is simple, although I think memorizing will be the most difficult aspect. A lot of Rachmaninoff is more difficult, just think of the Prelude in C sharp minor if you want to see a rotten looking score. Surely, there must be more to Sorabji. Now I'm getting curious.

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

You can't determine the difficulty of a piece based on one measure. That was from his sonata, but let's pretend it was in the OC. Could you imagine four hours of that?

I'm sure there are much more difficult measures than that, but the fact is, it hurts my eyes. And Luda claims that he can learn the entire OC? Give me a break.

- LVR

[DarkWind]

oh yea, i finished this:

Question: What is so difficult about this measure? Honestly, it's rhythmically simple, six against six (could be a lot more difficult, say 6 against 18), it's not fast (vivace would be a different thing), and it's just a bunch of chords. I'm not saying that it is simple, although I think memorizing will be the most difficult aspect. A lot of Rachmaninoff is more difficult, just think of the Prelude in C sharp minor if you want to see a rotten looking score. Surely, there must be more to Sorabji. Now I'm getting curious.

The rythm is extremely simple compared to the rest of the sonata. But when you ask what's so difficult, I'd like to know if you actually attempted playing the measure in question. If not, I'd suggest not calling this passage simple. In fact, who said it wasn't fast? This whole measure is played withing 2-3 seconds, along with those leaps, make it pretty impossible, or at least, challenging. To be honest, the Sonata is much more ferocious looking than the Opus Clavicembalisticum, but the Opus Clavicembalisticum has around 200+ pages, making it much more of a mammoth.

[xvimbi]

I'm not saying that it is simple, although I think memorizing will be the most difficult aspect.

The rythm is extremely simple compared to the rest of the sonata. But when you ask what's so difficult, I'd like to know if you actually attempted playing the measure in question. If not, I'd suggest not calling this passage simple. In fact, who said it wasn't fast? This whole measure is played withing 2-3 seconds, along with those leaps, make it pretty impossible, or at least, challenging. To be honest, the Sonata is much more ferocious looking than the Opus Clavicembalisticum, but the Opus Clavicembalisticum has around 200+ pages, making it much more of a mammoth.

I guess "ralentissez" is relativ. Concerning simple or not, please read what I actually wrote. I maintain that it is still "relatively" manageable, at least when compared to a lot of the "standard" literature. It has octave runs and a bunch of chords, just like Rach3. If this example was intended to show how ludicrous luda888's desire is, then it didn't do it. I still think the main problem is the length of the piece.

[super_ardua]

Erm,  you took a week to learn that,  and that is one bar,  so what about the next 200+ pages?

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

Luda,

www.chopinmusic.net/sdc

There is a link to a downloadable recording of the OC. FOR FREE! Doesn't that make you happy? It's in the post with the creative title "Opus Cleavagecumbucket" or something like that.

SO GO AWAY!

[the_prodigy]

couldnt find it




                 the_prodigy

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

https://chezalex.glumol.com/Sorabji.-.Opus.clavicembalisticum.-.Madge.(Chicago.1983.live,.covers).zip 

WARNING: LONG download!

[DarkWind]

I'm not saying that it is simple, although I think memorizing will be the most difficult aspect.

The rythm is extremely simple compared to the rest of the sonata. But when you ask what's so difficult, I'd like to know if you actually attempted playing the measure in question. If not, I'd suggest not calling this passage simple. In fact, who said it wasn't fast? This whole measure is played withing 2-3 seconds, along with those leaps, make it pretty impossible, or at least, challenging. To be honest, the Sonata is much more ferocious looking than the Opus Clavicembalisticum, but the Opus Clavicembalisticum has around 200+ pages, making it much more of a mammoth.

I guess "ralentissez" is relativ. Concerning simple or not, please read what I actually wrote. I maintain that it is still "relatively" manageable, at least when compared to a lot of the "standard" literature. It has octave runs and a bunch of chords, just like Rach3. If this example was intended to show how ludicrous luda888's desire is, then it didn't do it. I still think the main problem is the length of the piece.

Yeah, but explain the 7th chord on the left hand. It spans 3 octaves. Plus, this is going an extremely fast tempo, yet slowing down just a small bit. It also has annoying jumps. The jump from the first to the second chord on the left hand is pretty insane, if you ask me.

[pseudopianist]

https://chezalex.glumol.com/Sorabji.-.Opus.clavicembalisticum.-.Madge.(Chicago.1983.live,.covers).zip 

WARNING: LONG download!

WHOA! Is this it? I wanna hear it! *downloading* if it contains virus to get back on Luda then I'm fucked but still.

[pseudopianist]

Well I have the score and the mp3 now and I took a shot at the first page 
I'm only grade 7 but I think I pulled it off. This is my own version of the first page

ftp://pogotrucci:1shred1@ftp.passagen.se/OpusClav.mp3


(Why don't people on this forum have humor? )

[Rob47]

Cool that sounds...well cool. A performance full of conviction.  Good work if you learned that in a day, but that's not the 1st page of Opus Clavicebalisticum.  Didn't you say it was the first page? UNless your improvising on what's written or something? And the itsy bitsy spider finds it's way into their too?

Cool!

your friend
Rob

[pseudopianist]

Cool that sounds...well cool. A performance full of conviction.  Good work if you learned that in a day, but that's not the 1st page of Opus Clavicebalisticum.  Didn't you say it was the first page? UNless your improvising on what's written or something? And the itsy bitsy spider finds it's way into their too?

Cool!

your friend
Rob

Whoops... I guess it wasn't the first page after all.

[luda888]

its not working for me

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

What doesn't work for you??? The link I put up, or Pseudopianist?

If it's the one I put up then... too bad.

[luda888]

What doesn't work for you??? The link I put up, or Pseudopianist?

If it's the one I put up then... too bad.

https://chezalex.glumol.com/Sorabji.-.Opus.clavicembalisticum.-.Madge.(Chicago.1983.live,.covers).zip and ftp://pogotrucci:1shred1@ftp.passagen.se/OpusClav.mp3. after downloading the 2hr zip, the folder was empty. and ftp://pogotrucci:1shred1@ftp.passagen.se/OpusClav.mp3 wont work

[xvimbi]

Yeah, but explain the 7th chord on the left hand. It spans 3 octaves. Plus, this is going an extremely fast tempo, yet slowing down just a small bit. It also has annoying jumps. The jump from the first to the second chord on the left hand is pretty insane, if you ask me.

The 7th chord in the left hand looks like a simple octave to me. Am I not reading this correctly? There is no 3-octave chord; not even Rachmaninoff had hands that large. I don't know what you mean by "extremely fast", since I don't have the score and don't know what the tempo in the preceding measures is. In any case, there must be more to Sorabji since everyone is going bonkers over this subject. Perhaps, it's just the length.

[Spatula]

What doesn't work for you??? The link I put up, or Pseudopianist?

If it's the one I put up then... too bad.

https://chezalex.glumol.com/Sorabji.-.Opus.clavicembalisticum.-.Madge.(Chicago.1983.live,.covers).zip and ftp://pogotrucci:1shred1@ftp.passagen.se/OpusClav.mp3. after downloading the 2hr zip, the folder was empty. and ftp://pogotrucci:1shred1@ftp.passagen.se/OpusClav.mp3 wont work

For once in the lifetime of a kitchen utensil, I concur with Luda the 888.

HANGS HEAD IN SHAME ! BOO!

[DarkWind]

Yeah, but explain the 7th chord on the left hand. It spans 3 octaves. Plus, this is going an extremely fast tempo, yet slowing down just a small bit. It also has annoying jumps. The jump from the first to the second chord on the left hand is pretty insane, if you ask me.

The 7th chord in the left hand looks like a simple octave to me. Am I not reading this correctly? There is no 3-octave chord; not even Rachmaninoff had hands that large. I don't know what you mean by "extremely fast", since I don't have the score and don't know what the tempo in the preceding measures is. In any case, there must be more to Sorabji since everyone is going bonkers over this subject. Perhaps, it's just the length.

And, I have the midi of the piece. As I said, one more time, the whole section of this part of the sonata is played in 2-3 seconds. Also, if it means anything, there is, so far, only one person on earth who can play the whole piece.

[Spatula]

Sweet how do you edit with red ink like that dark man?

  RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED~!

[Antnee]

hmm. download worked for me...

And I must say, It is interesting for the first five minutes, but after a while, It starts to wear on you. It would be very tiring listening to this entire piece, and even more tiring to learn and play it. I would would seriously spend my time on something else If I had the technical ability to play it. Which raises the question, why would anyone spend so much time learning a piece like this? And you can't tell me it didn't take a LONG time either... 

[joell12068]

I can play only this much of it:

[xvimbi]

And, I have the midi of the piece. As I said, one more time, the whole section of this part of the sonata is played in 2-3 seconds.

To me it looks as if notes number 3 and 4 don't belong to the same chord as notes 1 and 2 
1 and 2 are quarter notes, number 2 also belongs to the following 32nd note cluster. Notes 3 and 4 are eigths and form their own chord. They belong to the stem on the right, not the stem on the left. It's still a tough jump, though.

Also, if it means anything, there is, so far, only one person on earth who can play the whole piece.

How do you know? I think there may be only one person who was foolish enough to waste all this time learning this piece and performing it. It doesn't mean that that person is the only one in the world who could technically play it.

[DarkWind]

And, I have the midi of the piece. As I said, one more time, the whole section of this part of the sonata is played in 2-3 seconds.

To me it looks as if notes number 3 and 4 don't belong to the same chord as notes 1 and 2 
1 and 2 are quarter notes, number 2 also belongs to the following 32nd note cluster. Notes 3 and 4 are eigths and form their own chord. They belong to the stem on the right, not the stem on the left. It's still a tough jump, though.

Also, if it means anything, there is, so far, only one person on earth who can play the whole piece.

How do you know? I think there may be only one person who was foolish enough to waste all this time learning this piece and performing it. It doesn't mean that that person is the only one in the world who could technically play it.

How do I know? Well, the person I got the digital score from had recieved it personally from Alistair Hinton, director of Sorabji Archive. And he knows everything about Sorabji. Also, if I could, I would take the time to learn this Sonata. It's really cool and has some actual enjoyable parts.

[fnork]

Listened to some of OC.

Sounded like crap...

[bernhard]

How do I know? Well, the person I got the digital score from had recieved it personally from Alistair Hinton, director of Sorabji Archive. And he knows everything about Sorabji. Also, if I could, I would take the time to learn this Sonata. It's really cool and has some actual enjoyable parts.

Have a look here:


https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3695.msg33715.html#msg33715
(reply #20)

Best wishes,
Bernhard

[Spatula]

I love that part

"Dillusions of Grandeur"

[luda888]

anyone have a working link?

[xvimbi]

anyone have a working link?

Go here:

https://www.chopinmusic.net/sdc/viewtopic.php?t=213

Click on the link in the post by k-nar. This works for me, but pasting the link into my browser didn't.

[luda888]

anyone have a working link?

Go here:

https://www.chopinmusic.net/sdc/viewtopic.php?t=213

Click on the link in the post by k-nar. This works for me, but pasting the link into my browser didn't.

it doesnt work for me, after downloading it, the .zip is empty

[DarkWind]

How do I know? Well, the person I got the digital score from had recieved it personally from Alistair Hinton, director of Sorabji Archive. And he knows everything about Sorabji. Also, if I could, I would take the time to learn this Sonata. It's really cool and has some actual enjoyable parts.

Have a look here:


https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3695.msg33715.html#msg33715
(reply #20)

Best wishes,
Bernhard

Actually, he only forbade public performance. And I also believe that ban was lifted around the 70's when pianists started to perform his works to a style of his liking.

[Spatula]

Hm. I wonder what the "Da SDC" is? 

[kempff]

Hm. I wonder what the "Da SDC" is? 

da Speed Demon Community

cum and join

 

[luda888]

da Speed Demon Community

cum and join

 

CUM? ok, im jacking off now. haha 

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

da Speed Demon Community

cum and join

 

CUM? ok, im jacking off now. haha 

..... thank you for sharing that with us.

How old are you, 12?

[kempff]

da Speed Demon Community

cum and join

 

CUM? ok, im jacking off now. haha 

 

[Spatula]

I wonder what Liszt inferno piece sounds like...is it blazing good? 

[luda888]

no one?

[Ludwig Van Rachabji]

You don't give up, do you?

I put up a download for the recording. The sheet music? Why don't you buy it? Well THERE'S a concept! Maybe if you would stop masturbating and actually WORK a bit, maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to pay for the OC.

Give it a try! 

[Piazzo22]

You don't give up, do you?

I put up a download for the recording. The sheet music? Why don't you buy it? Well THERE'S a concept! Maybe if you would stop masturbating and actually WORK a bit, maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to pay for the OC.

Give it a try! 

Maybe if you stop posting ideas against other´s intentions you could be a great guy.

Why don´t you try it?