oh yea, i finished this:
Quote from: luda888 on October 21, 2004, 01:06:15 AMoh yea, i finished this:Question: What is so difficult about this measure? Honestly, it's rhythmically simple, six against six (could be a lot more difficult, say 6 against 18), it's not fast (vivace would be a different thing), and it's just a bunch of chords. I'm not saying that it is simple, although I think memorizing will be the most difficult aspect. A lot of Rachmaninoff is more difficult, just think of the Prelude in C sharp minor if you want to see a rotten looking score. Surely, there must be more to Sorabji. Now I'm getting curious.
Quote from: xvimbi on October 21, 2004, 11:53:00 PMI'm not saying that it is simple, although I think memorizing will be the most difficult aspect.The rythm is extremely simple compared to the rest of the sonata. But when you ask what's so difficult, I'd like to know if you actually attempted playing the measure in question. If not, I'd suggest not calling this passage simple. In fact, who said it wasn't fast? This whole measure is played withing 2-3 seconds, along with those leaps, make it pretty impossible, or at least, challenging. To be honest, the Sonata is much more ferocious looking than the Opus Clavicembalisticum, but the Opus Clavicembalisticum has around 200+ pages, making it much more of a mammoth.
I'm not saying that it is simple, although I think memorizing will be the most difficult aspect.
Quote from: DarkWind on October 22, 2004, 04:00:52 AMQuote from: xvimbi on October 21, 2004, 11:53:00 PMI'm not saying that it is simple, although I think memorizing will be the most difficult aspect.The rythm is extremely simple compared to the rest of the sonata. But when you ask what's so difficult, I'd like to know if you actually attempted playing the measure in question. If not, I'd suggest not calling this passage simple. In fact, who said it wasn't fast? This whole measure is played withing 2-3 seconds, along with those leaps, make it pretty impossible, or at least, challenging. To be honest, the Sonata is much more ferocious looking than the Opus Clavicembalisticum, but the Opus Clavicembalisticum has around 200+ pages, making it much more of a mammoth.I guess "ralentissez" is relativ. Concerning simple or not, please read what I actually wrote. I maintain that it is still "relatively" manageable, at least when compared to a lot of the "standard" literature. It has octave runs and a bunch of chords, just like Rach3. If this example was intended to show how ludicrous luda888's desire is, then it didn't do it. I still think the main problem is the length of the piece.
https://chezalex.glumol.com/Sorabji.-.Opus.clavicembalisticum.-.Madge.(Chicago.1983.live,.covers).zip WARNING: LONG download!
Cool that sounds...well cool. A performance full of conviction. Good work if you learned that in a day, but that's not the 1st page of Opus Clavicebalisticum. Didn't you say it was the first page? UNless your improvising on what's written or something? And the itsy bitsy spider finds it's way into their too?Cool!your friendRob
What doesn't work for you??? The link I put up, or Pseudopianist?If it's the one I put up then... too bad.
Yeah, but explain the 7th chord on the left hand. It spans 3 octaves. Plus, this is going an extremely fast tempo, yet slowing down just a small bit. It also has annoying jumps. The jump from the first to the second chord on the left hand is pretty insane, if you ask me.
Quote from: Ludwig Van Rachabji on October 24, 2004, 10:01:50 PMWhat doesn't work for you??? The link I put up, or Pseudopianist?If it's the one I put up then... too bad. https://chezalex.glumol.com/Sorabji.-.Opus.clavicembalisticum.-.Madge.(Chicago.1983.live,.covers).zip and ftp://pogotrucci:1shred1@ftp.passagen.se/OpusClav.mp3. after downloading the 2hr zip, the folder was empty. and ftp://pogotrucci:1shred1@ftp.passagen.se/OpusClav.mp3 wont work
QuoteYeah, but explain the 7th chord on the left hand. It spans 3 octaves. Plus, this is going an extremely fast tempo, yet slowing down just a small bit. It also has annoying jumps. The jump from the first to the second chord on the left hand is pretty insane, if you ask me.The 7th chord in the left hand looks like a simple octave to me. Am I not reading this correctly? There is no 3-octave chord; not even Rachmaninoff had hands that large. I don't know what you mean by "extremely fast", since I don't have the score and don't know what the tempo in the preceding measures is. In any case, there must be more to Sorabji since everyone is going bonkers over this subject. Perhaps, it's just the length.
And, I have the midi of the piece. As I said, one more time, the whole section of this part of the sonata is played in 2-3 seconds.
Also, if it means anything, there is, so far, only one person on earth who can play the whole piece.
Quote from: DarkWind on October 25, 2004, 01:22:53 AMAnd, I have the midi of the piece. As I said, one more time, the whole section of this part of the sonata is played in 2-3 seconds.To me it looks as if notes number 3 and 4 don't belong to the same chord as notes 1 and 2 1 and 2 are quarter notes, number 2 also belongs to the following 32nd note cluster. Notes 3 and 4 are eigths and form their own chord. They belong to the stem on the right, not the stem on the left. It's still a tough jump, though.QuoteAlso, if it means anything, there is, so far, only one person on earth who can play the whole piece.How do you know? I think there may be only one person who was foolish enough to waste all this time learning this piece and performing it. It doesn't mean that that person is the only one in the world who could technically play it.
How do I know? Well, the person I got the digital score from had recieved it personally from Alistair Hinton, director of Sorabji Archive. And he knows everything about Sorabji. Also, if I could, I would take the time to learn this Sonata. It's really cool and has some actual enjoyable parts.
anyone have a working link?
Quote from: luda888 on October 26, 2004, 10:20:52 PManyone have a working link?Go here:https://www.chopinmusic.net/sdc/viewtopic.php?t=213Click on the link in the post by k-nar. This works for me, but pasting the link into my browser didn't.
Quote from: DarkWind on October 25, 2004, 08:23:04 PMHow do I know? Well, the person I got the digital score from had recieved it personally from Alistair Hinton, director of Sorabji Archive. And he knows everything about Sorabji. Also, if I could, I would take the time to learn this Sonata. It's really cool and has some actual enjoyable parts.Have a look here:https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3695.msg33715.html#msg33715(reply #20)Best wishes,Bernhard
Hm. I wonder what the "Da SDC" is?
da Speed Demon Communitycum and join
Quote from: kempff on October 27, 2004, 12:14:07 PMda Speed Demon Communitycum and join CUM? ok, im jacking off now. haha
You don't give up, do you?I put up a download for the recording. The sheet music? Why don't you buy it? Well THERE'S a concept! Maybe if you would stop masturbating and actually WORK a bit, maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to pay for the OC.Give it a try!
Topic: Opus Clavicembalisticum 