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Topic: Ravel - La Valse: peculiar notes  (Read 2717 times)

Offline quintessence

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Ravel - La Valse: peculiar notes
on: December 28, 2011, 05:47:46 PM
I was reading through Ravel's La Valse for piano solo, when I encountered these peculiar notes:



I would be very much humbled, indeed honoured if someone could tell me what this means and how this should be played.

Thanks very much in advance.  ;D

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Re: Ravel - La Valse: peculiar notes
Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 06:04:21 PM
You have to play e and e# together. Similar cases appear already in Chopin's Etudes.

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Re: Ravel - La Valse: peculiar notes
Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 06:25:00 PM
Would it not have been easier to write e and f???
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Re: Ravel - La Valse: peculiar notes
Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
Well haha I checked the score and both staffs are written in bass clef, so it's g# and g natural.

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Re: Ravel - La Valse: peculiar notes
Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 06:53:30 PM
Would it not have been easier to write e and f???

That depends on the harmonic context. I haven't analyzed this piece, so I can only guess, but it seems to me that Ravel uses a sort of bitonality here, so it's more clear to write each leading note according to it's respective tonal center.

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Re: Ravel - La Valse: peculiar notes
Reply #5 on: December 28, 2011, 08:11:34 PM
In the orchestral score the harps have to play often e# and f together. Haha 8) I think harpists can't be so touchy when it comes to enharmonic relations ;D. They just happily live with it, like many other instrumentalists, because of course e# and f (for instance) are not the same note at all.
I'm rather missing the difference, as a pianist. Of course, what you think is what you hear, but it would be neat to have all the enharmonic relatives on the piano, too.
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