There's another thread on this somewhere around here. At least one.
I hadn't heard of it before -- thanks!And does one see it elsewhere? Oh my goodness sakes yes. Try politics...
ok seriously would like some intelligent feedback on this, if you're unfamiliar with this psychological phenomena, here's a brief descriptionAlthough the Dunning–Kruger effect was put forward in 1999, David Dunning and Justin Kruger have quoted Charles Darwin ("Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge")[3] and Bertrand Russell ("One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision")[4] as authors who have recognised the phenomenon.The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to recognize their mistakes.[1] The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others" (p. 1127).[2] The effect is about paradoxical defects in cognitive ability, both in oneself and as one compares oneself to others____________________________now the relevance question, how often do you think or actually see this, both in general and as pianists? i liken it to the 'american idol' effect if you have seen the US version of the program (though i'd venture to say that this effect is universal so we'd prob see it in the internatinal forms of the show), where you have incredibly confident yet horrendously terribly performers utterly convinced of their mastery of said musical talent they attempt to audition with, then you have unbelievably talented individuals who at their most confident seem quietly optmistic and humble sort of unaware of how good they actually are? have you come across pianists like this? hmm, i'm fascinated by this after a discussion with a biology professor of mine.thanks for reading and i appreciate any thoughtful insight into this. i'm a nerd at heart and like learning about all sorts of sciences outside my primary disciplines (i'm manily a biochemistry guy, you know structure, function, electron movements, water, why how, that sort of thing).
'well these guys who think they're really good at something but actually suck, or is really good at something but think they suck, just have weak interpersonal intelligence. Which means that they suck at judging themselves accurately. But since there seems to be some weird correlation going on here with people who are actually good at something, but undershooting themselves, and people who think they're good at something, bug actually suck, something must be going on here! But since correlation doesn't = causation, we can't really do anything here...'
Recently, a concept has been brought to my attention. It makes me feel really OCD. The difference between citing some information, "regurgitating it(information)" or actually stating what you know, in your own original words and thought that is elaborate to express your very intelligence. Anyone can read a book, more or less. But...(fill in the blank here, explain what learning and educated thought means to you).