Chopin Prelude op28 no24

[mistral646]

Go easy with me  - I am self taught.

I can play this piece, though with still some problem areas, one in particular being bar 17.

When I hit the last C with my LH thumb, how do I cope with the arrival of my RH third finger when it also wants to hit this note.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

[megadodd]

Have you never encountered this before? ;S
Either you just play the note with both fingers, or you assign it to one and skip it with the other.
Whatever feels best, that simple.

[mistral646]

Thank-you

[werq34ac]

Go easy with me  - I am self taught.

I can play this piece, though with still some problem areas, one in particular being bar 17.

When I hit the last C with my LH thumb, how do I cope with the arrival of my RH third finger when it also wants to hit this note.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

That depends on whether you play them together or not. If you play the C together, then you simply just don't play it with one finger. If you are not playing the two Cs together, then you play one C, then get that finger out of the way in order for the other finger to "arrive" at the key. Does that make sense?

[mistral646]

werq34ac

Yes it does make sense.

At the moment I have been reaching the C with the LH thumb coincident with the RH thumb on F - and holding my LH on the middle C too long so that when the RH third finger reaches C it does'nt sound; like missing a note.  The reason why I have been muddled over this is because of the following bar 18.

I have watched many performances of this piece on Youtube in an attempt to see how the hand crossover works but it is too fast to unpick.  Watching Yuma Osaki, I notice her left hand crosses over the right hand twice during bars 17 and 18 and I would love to know how it is  done.  If you can offer any scrap of advice on this hand crossover technique I would really appreciate it.

[werq34ac]

Having never played the piece I can't really help too much,

but a general overview of the hand crossover technique is that one hand is much higher than usual while the other is much lower than usual. Which hand goes on top depends on which one tends to "jump" more and where the black keys fall. This way, hands can be in the same place horizontally while not getting in the way of each other. Just put one hand on top of the other and then give each hand a little bit of "breathing space."

[mistral646]

werq34ac

Your words are more helpful to me than you can imagine.

Yuma Osaki's hands seem to be doing just that!

The left hand jumping twice over the right hand which is held low.

Gives me someting to work on.

Thank-you very much.

[birba]

I don't think they're played together.  I've already played the c with my l.h. before the r.h. gets there.

[mistral646]

birba

Yes I agree.

My LH thumb arrives at C by which time my RH thumb has only reached  F.

However thanks to the clues that have been given to me on this forum I think the penny has now dropped. I think that in bar 18, when the RH 2nd finger reaches the crochet E it is held for the duration of the first LH group which, starting from an octave lower E then leaps first to G sharp via D and then leaps from this E straight to B. This reveals the two crossovers of LH over RH, with the former being kept high and the latter low.

I think this is right??!!

Thank-you for you contribution to answering my question.