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Offline maxy

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violent pieces!
on: September 14, 2004, 05:59:00 AM
I want some piece suggestions to "vent out" some frustration!

so far, suggestion diabolique (Prok) seems to do quite well!

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #1 on: September 14, 2004, 06:18:41 AM
Liszt- Orage, Lyon, Grand Galop Chromatique, Transcendental etudes Nos.1,4,8,10, Totentanz, Hungarian Rhapsody No.2,6,7

Balakirev - Islamey
Prokofiev- Toccata Op.11

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #2 on: September 14, 2004, 06:29:17 AM
I'm not as convinced about Islamey as you, don.

Chopin - Prelude #24 in D minor
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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #3 on: September 14, 2004, 06:39:31 AM
Passacaglia or Piano Variations by Copland
Scriabin's 1st, 6th, or 9th piano sonatas
Mov3 of "Moonlight Sonata" - Beethoven
Appassionata Sonata - Beethoven

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #4 on: September 14, 2004, 09:37:05 AM
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Appassionata Sonata - Beethoven


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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #5 on: September 14, 2004, 10:04:43 AM
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Hear! Hear!


Do you mean that you protest, agree, or do you simply have bad english and are ordering us to listen to this piece?

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #6 on: September 14, 2004, 10:15:55 AM
Heh, I think it mean's he's English..

You can't go wrong  with Ballade 2 (Chopin). At least if you skip the start of the piece and head for the agitato.

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #7 on: September 14, 2004, 11:40:22 AM
Bartok’s Allegro Barbaro
Barber’s Sonata
Ornstein Wild man’s dance
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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #8 on: September 14, 2004, 12:38:20 PM
Chopin prelude no. 16. (You'll "vent out" quite a lot of frustration in learning and playing it itself!)
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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #9 on: September 14, 2004, 02:50:35 PM
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I want some piece suggestions to "vent out" some frustration!

so far, suggestion diabolique (Prok) seems to do quite well!


Liszt/Horowitz Rakoczy March
Ornstein Wild Man Dance
Rach 2nd Sonata, 3rd movement
Rach 3rd concerto, big cadenza in 1st movement
Rach ET Op. 39 #9
Schumann Kreisleriana, #7
Schumann Sonata #2, 1st movement
Scriabin Sonatas #3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10
Scriabin Etude Op. 8 #12, Op. 42 #5,6
Alkan FInale from Symphony
York Bowen Toccata
Prokofiev Sonata #6, last movement, #7 ditto
Bach Toccata in E minor (fast fugue)
Schubert sonata Op. 143 (last movement)
Thaikovsky 1st concerto, any of the octave passages

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #10 on: September 14, 2004, 10:23:03 PM
Here are a few...

-Bartok's Sonata (1st movement in particular)
-Prokofiev - Montagues and Capulets from 'Romeo and Juliet' Op.75 (extra violent if you want it to be)
-Brahms - Caprice, Op.76, No.1
-Rachmaninoff - Op. 39, No. 1 (Etude Tableaux in C minor)
-Debussy - The Girl with the Flaxen Hair
-Mussorgsky - Bydlo, from Pictures at an Exhibition
-Godowsky's Passacaglia

Copland's Passacaglia should be fun, too, so I second that.


(Yes, there is a joke in this post.)
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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #11 on: September 14, 2004, 11:43:26 PM
Chopin Etudes: op10:12/op25.12 Preludes: op28:16
Liszts Transcendental Etudes: 1,7,8 works well too I guess
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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #12 on: September 15, 2004, 12:35:21 AM
What about John Coltrane's Giant Steps?

;D

Probably based on Slonimsky's ideas btw.

The harmony surely thrashed me around the first time I heard it. It hurted like hell.

Offline Motrax

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #13 on: September 15, 2004, 01:44:47 AM
When I'm angry, a Chopin nocturne does the trick. Or the first movement of the movement, or one of Rach's Op. 32 preludes...

Anger very rarely does any good for piano playing, no matter the piece. You have to be alive when you play, and very often anger clouds the humanity we all posses. Pure rage is not so difficult to come by as you might think - try it. Just gather all the anger you can muster, right now, for no reason. You'll see that it's just as natural as any other emotion. And just like any other emotion, it will take control of you if you do not take control of it. Playing piano possessed is possibly the worst way to play, because the music controls you, and can spin out of control very quickly. You must take control of the music, and let it take hold of you only so far as you are able to handle while keeping a clear mind.  It's no shame not to feel extreme emotion when you play. What's more important is being able to reign in your emotions without music, so that you can concentrate on the sound you produce without falling apart.

That probably didn't come out very clearly... make of it what you will.  ;)
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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #14 on: September 15, 2004, 06:32:11 AM
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When I'm angry, a Chopin nocturne does the trick. Or the first movement of the movement, or one of Rach's Op. 32 preludes...

Anger very rarely does any good for piano playing, no matter the piece. You have to be alive when you play, and very often anger clouds the humanity we all posses. Pure rage is not so difficult to come by as you might think - try it. Just gather all the anger you can muster, right now, for no reason. You'll see that it's just as natural as any other emotion. And just like any other emotion, it will take control of you if you do not take control of it. Playing piano possessed is possibly the worst way to play, because the music controls you, and can spin out of control very quickly. You must take control of the music, and let it take hold of you only so far as you are able to handle while keeping a clear mind.  It's no shame not to feel extreme emotion when you play. What's more important is being able to reign in your emotions without music, so that you can concentrate on the sound you produce without falling apart.

That probably didn't come out very clearly... make of it what you will.  ;)


 uhh..okay Yoda.

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #15 on: September 17, 2004, 03:28:17 AM
It's depend on how mad you are...
when i'm going mad, broken heart.. i played chopin ballade no 1 in G-, there is a part where you chould cry, there is a part where you should entertain yourself, and the last cadenza or part.. will throw out your frustation into your piano.. ;)

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #16 on: September 17, 2004, 03:30:26 AM
It's depend on how mad you are...
when i'm going mad, broken heart.. i played chopin ballade no 1 in G-, there is a part where you chould cry, there is a part where you should entertain yourself, and the last cadenza or part.. will throw out your frustation into your piano.. ;)

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #17 on: September 17, 2004, 03:33:41 AM
Alright, here's a good (and not very well known) one:

Scriabin:  Impromptu op12 no2 in Bb minor

Ravishing!

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #18 on: September 17, 2004, 05:19:08 PM
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Alright, here's a good (and not very well known) one:

Scriabin:  Impromptu op12 no2 in Bb minor

Ravishing!


 That's an AWESOME piece (a kind of pre-natal version of the great B minor fantasie--get the Sofronitsky recording ;D)

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #19 on: September 20, 2004, 07:48:14 AM
Brahms capriccio op.116 no 7. What a way to end such a peaceful opus.

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #20 on: September 21, 2004, 07:55:47 AM
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Do you mean that you protest, agree, or do you simply have bad english and are ordering us to listen to this piece?


My grasp of the English Language is fine, thank you!  :) See entry number 4 under intransitive senses in the link below.

https://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hear

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #21 on: September 21, 2004, 08:01:11 AM
Ohh..... sorry.  I thought you were disagreeing!

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Re: violent pieces!
Reply #22 on: September 21, 2004, 08:07:08 AM
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Ohh..... sorry.  I thought you were disagreeing!


No problem. ;)

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