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Offline afropunani

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Ravel - La Valse, fingering
on: February 08, 2012, 09:37:46 PM
I have some trouble in finding comfortable fingering for these two passages in Ravel's La Valse for piano solo.

I haven't been able to come up with fingering that brings out the melody clearly and legato, but is still comfortable.

Suggestions would be much appreciated.

Offline megadodd

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Re: Ravel - La Valse, fingering
Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 10:30:25 PM
How long have you been playing that part?
Sometimes it take me even more than 2-3 days for a fingering that works to feel natural.
And I think fingering is very induvidual, what fits your hand.

Don't take this the wrong way, but it looks like pretty straight forward fingering should work, I mean, if you don't think about it it seems as though it shouldn't be much of a problematic section for your fingers to fall naturally onto the keys~

bar 1 : 1,3,5,1,2,3(4)    bar 2:  5,1,2,4,5,4    bar 3: 5, 4, 1, [1 3 5], 5, 3.
I've not tried it, but it would work for my reach just fine.

But it is clearly induvidual what works for different hands.
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Offline werq34ac

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Re: Ravel - La Valse, fingering
Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 12:53:36 AM
I would take a slightly different approach.

1: 145124
2: 512453
3: 521(124)53
4: 1(125)4

or
3:521(125)42
4: 1(125)4

You might try replacing your 5th finger with a 3rd finger on the D# of the 3rd measure if you pick the 2nd fingering.

The first measure, 135123 might cause too much horizontal motion while 145124 allows for fluidity the fingers whilst minimizing wrist motion.
 
2nd measure I would use a 3 for the last note simple to transition better into the new hand position in measure 3.

3th measure I wouldn't use a 4 on the second note since your hand is going to be a bit cramped then. I also really don't like the 5-5 from a white key to a black key. 1-1 from a black key to an adjacent white key is fine however. I would experiment to see whether 521(124)53 works better or 521(125)42

4th measure is just plain uncomfortable. You could do 125 124 135 or 134 for the A C# E# chord. It all depends on what fits your hand.

Then
5:145124
6:512453
7:532(135)42
8:1(135)5

Can't think of anything better..
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Offline kalirren

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Re: Ravel - La Valse, fingering
Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 12:48:35 AM
I worked this out at some point in the past.

1st pattern: 135124 | 512351 | 421 [135] 42 | 1 [125] 4

2nd pattern: 135124 | 512351 | 421 [235] 42 | 1 [135] 5 

Hope they work.  If I missed something let me know   :P
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Re: Ravel - La Valse, fingering
Reply #4 on: June 19, 2013, 02:29:53 PM
I just started learning this piece and it would be great to learn from your experience on fingering. 

Half way through the piece, page 8's passages are the ones giving me a hard time (probably page 19 is same?), but any words of wisdom would be much appreciated.  Thanks!
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