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Offline pianoplayjl

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Can you guys think of any piano compositions sharing a similar form and opus number but by a different composer? I can only think of 1.

Scriabin etude op 2 no 1
Henselt etude op 2 no 1
Prokofiev etude op 2 no 1

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Offline drkilroy

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Re: Similar compositions sharing same opus number, different composer
Reply #1 on: February 24, 2012, 02:38:49 PM
I only remember that Carnaval Romain by Berlioz and Carnaval by Schumann are both opus 9. :)

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Offline j_menz

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Betthoven's Opus 2 (No. 1) is his Piano Sonata No.1, Wagners Opus 1 is his Piano Sonata No. 2.

A little outside what you asked, but a nice symmetry.
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Both Schumann and Salomon wrote a Piano Concerto in A Minor Op.54.

One is delightful and the other is shite.

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A bit off topic but I like this one.

Violin Concerto Op. 61:

Beethoven
Saint-Saëns No. 3
Elgar
Szymanowski No. 2

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So apparently Muzio Clementi wrote a Sonata op. 36 no. 1 and a Sonatina op. 36 no. 1, and yet they are two completely different pieces. How can two different pieces by the same composer have the same exact opus number? Anyone care to explain how that works?

See here:
Sonata: https://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/3/31/IMSLP55440-PMLP114560-Clementi_Twelve_Sonatas_Schirmer_Op_36_No_1_filter.pdf
Sonatina: https://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/b/b5/IMSLP29868-PMLP06617-Clementi_Op36_Schirmer.pdf

I know this thread is for pieces with similar/same opus numbers by different composers, but I felt this was the best place to ask.

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Haha, he's not even trying. Carl Tausig has three Opus 1s, and he didn't compose anywhere near as much as Clementi (every so often, he'd have a change of heart and renounce all his earlier works).

The complete edition of Clementi Sonatas and Sonatinas I have (Braunschweig) also has two Op36s which line up with your editions. I know some Clementi Sonatas were later rebadged as Sonatinas, though that wouldn't explain what happened in this case.

Opus numbers seem to be quite a bit screwy for a lot of composers at this time. Maybe when the new complete critical edition of his works is completed (now underway) they'll sort it all out (and I guess we'll have another letter to show off with, a la BWV, K, D, S etc..) 
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So apparently Muzio Clementi wrote a Sonata op. 36 no. 1 and a Sonatina op. 36 no. 1, and yet they are two completely different pieces. How can two different pieces by the same composer have the same exact opus number? Anyone care to explain how that works?

See here:
Sonata: https://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/3/31/IMSLP55440-PMLP114560-Clementi_Twelve_Sonatas_Schirmer_Op_36_No_1_filter.pdf
Sonatina: https://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/b/b5/IMSLP29868-PMLP06617-Clementi_Op36_Schirmer.pdf

I know this thread is for pieces with similar/same opus numbers by different composers, but I felt this was the best place to ask.



I believe that you are mistaken with the opus number of the sonata that you are talking about,
the opus number is 33.
Working on:
- Beethoven: Sonata no 3, opus 2 no 3
- Chopin: Mazurka, opus 67 no 4
- Chopin: Etude, opus 10 no 2
- Tallis: O Sacrum Convivium (piano transcription)

Offline j_menz

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I believe that you are mistaken with the opus number of the sonata that you are talking about,
the opus number is 33.

Nope, in my version, Opus 33 No 1 is in F major, Opus 33 No 2 is in G Major. Neither are the one williampiano refers to (which is listed as Opus 36 No 1).
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Offline hozepshad

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Nope, in my version, Opus 33 No 1 is in F major, Opus 33 No 2 is in G Major. Neither are the one williampiano refers to (which is listed as Opus 36 No 1).

In piano street it says that it is op 33, but I'm not a Clementi expert.
Working on:
- Beethoven: Sonata no 3, opus 2 no 3
- Chopin: Mazurka, opus 67 no 4
- Chopin: Etude, opus 10 no 2
- Tallis: O Sacrum Convivium (piano transcription)

Offline zezhyrule

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Beethoven 27/2 and Chopin 27/2. They're both um... overplayed  :P

The 2nd movement of the former and the Nocturne are both in D-Flat so I guess that's something  ::)
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- Bach: P&F in F Minor (WTC 2)
- Chopin: Etude, Op. 25, No. 5
- Beethoven: Sonata, Op. 31, No. 3
- Scriabin: Two Poems, Op. 32
- Debussy: Prelude Bk II No. 3

Offline hozepshad

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Beethoven's op. 106
Hammerklavier sonata

Mendelssohn's op. 106
Piano sonata in Bb major
Working on:
- Beethoven: Sonata no 3, opus 2 no 3
- Chopin: Mazurka, opus 67 no 4
- Chopin: Etude, opus 10 no 2
- Tallis: O Sacrum Convivium (piano transcription)

Offline stravinskylover

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Re: Similar compositions sharing same opus number, different composer
Reply #12 on: October 29, 2013, 05:29:08 AM
Not exactly an answer to your question, but Beethoven concerto 3 op 37 in c minor and Beethoven concerto 5 op 73 in E flat major.
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