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Offline cas70

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Mordents in Pathetique
on: March 06, 2012, 02:46:34 AM
Why are the mordents in the first movement, e.g. measure 57, so often played as triplets, such as Barenboim and others on YouTube play them, rather than as true upper mordents as Beethoven wrote them, such as Horowitz plays them?

Offline pianowolfi

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Re: Mordents in Pathetique
Reply #1 on: March 08, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
Because the tempo is very fast. Horowitz plays them like this but he needs to modify the rhythm in order to do so, he's slightly prolonging the notes with mordents, and shortening those afterwards.

Offline werq34ac

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Re: Mordents in Pathetique
Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 01:44:20 AM
It's actually a stylistic difference. Academically, Beethoven is considered classical so ornaments should be played in the classical manner. Thus, the beginning note of the ornaments fall ON the beat. It's kinda like the Mozart Turkish March. No on plays the grace not before the beat, although that's how they are written. It's because stylistically, ornaments fall on the beat in the baroque and classical era. I'm not sure why older pianists (Horowitz, Rubinstein, etc.) tend to play all of their ornaments romantically (beginning of ornaments fall before the beat).

However, there ARE exceptions. Sometimes the other way just sounds better both in classical and romantic music.
Ravel Jeux D'eau
Brahms 118/2
Liszt Concerto 1
Rachmaninoff/Kreisler Liebesleid
 

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