fast & pianissimo?

[drazh]

Hi
How to play fast & pianissimo?
I mean when the key pressed fast the sound will be louder (speed is important not the weight of fingers)
Thank you

[j_menz]

It is possible (as squillions of performances and recordings will testify).  Think soft thoughts.

[sevencircles]

It is possible (as squillions of performances and recordings will testify).  Think soft thoughts.

What are the best examples you know?

[j_menz]

Best and fastest soft I've heard is Liszt's Paganini Variations played by Nikita Magaloff.

Most controlled across a wide dynamic range is Marc Andre Hamelin playing Alkan's La Vent from Tres Morceaux dans le genre Pathetique.

[drazh]

It is possible (as squillions of performances and recordings will testify).  Think soft thoughts.

Dear j-menz
According to georgy sandors book. Fast is loud .right.?
Thank you

[49410enrique]

Dear j-menz
According to georgy sandors book. Fast is loud .right.?
Thank you

you're confusing fast into the keys with fast across the keys. big difference. it's very difficult, you're essentially trying to execute a soft touch along the keybord, the main challenge isn't so much getting it soft, but getting it soft, with agility, with good tone quality (i.e. not surfacey). this is one instance where the instrument itself can hinder or help you, assuming you have the passage(s) mastered, a lighter/softer action will help immensely (but the action has to still be fast to reset/responsive you need a very high quality action or a very experienced technician to get this , i find out of the box the kawai milenium action and the bosendorfers are the best at getting this right from the get go), as i have found the speed and soft dynamic with a projecting/singing quality only comes with an incredible amount of control.

i've brought this up as one of my biggest challenges in one of theose 'list your biggest technical hurdle' type threads long ago.  

mozart, haydn, hummel, early beethoven, bach, etc. and the like are really great for this type of development. even if you don't gravitate much to the baroque or classical (it really seesm SO MANY folks on here only go to the romantic end of things) time spent with those guys just seems to make everything else work better.

[costicina]

you're confusing fast into the keys with fast across the keys. big difference. it's very difficult, you're essentially trying to execute a soft touch along the keybord, the main challenge isn't so much getting it soft, but getting it soft, with agility, with good tone quality (i.e. not surfacey). this is one instance where the instrument itself can hinder or help you, assuming you have the passage(s) mastered, a lighter/softer action will help immensely (but the action has to still be fast to reset/responsive you need a very hgih quality action or a very experienced technical to get this if find out of the box the kawai milenium action and the bosendorfers are the best at getting this right from the get go), as i have found the speed and soft dynamic with a projecting/singing quality only comes with an incredible amount of control.

i've brought this up as one of my biggest challenges in one of theose 'list your biggest technical hurdle' type threads long ago. 

mozart, haydn, hummel, early beethoven, bach, etc. and the like are really great for this type of development. even if you don't gravitate much to the baroque or classical (it really seesm SO MANY folks on here only go to the romantic end of things) time spent with those guys just seems to make everything else work better.

I second every word...As a friend of mine (a very fine pianist) used to say, Bach teaches you how to play....

[j_menz]

Dear j-menz
According to georgy sandors book. Fast is loud .right.?
Thank you

If that's what the book says, then the book is wrong.

Enrique is correct.