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Offline momoji

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Mozart Piano Concerto no.20 Difficulty
on: May 09, 2012, 11:08:29 AM
I am not sure whether this is the right section.

I just finished my Grade 8 ABRSM exam.
I can play
Bach Prelude & Fugue BWV 866.
Bach Partita no.2 except for the last movement.
Mozart Piano Sonata in D major kv284
Beethoven Sonata No.8 C minor 3rd movement
Beethoven Tempest Sonata Full ( Struggle to play on speed in the 1st movement so i dropped it for the moment)
Chopin Etude op.10 no.8
Chopin Fantasie Impromptu
Chopin Etude op.25 no.1
Chopin Nocture C# minor
Prokofiev Prelude no.7 op.12

Currently working on
Rachmaninoff Prelude in G minor no.5 op.23
Bach Inventions and Sinfonias Complete
Chopin Etude op.10 no.12
Brahms Intermezzo op.118 no.2
Beethoven Sonata no.8 full
Debussy Suite bergamasque

I found an orchestra that is willing to play a concerto and i would like to experience once. Other than this Concerto feel free to suggest any for my level currently. I am not sure if i am able to play this.

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Re: Mozart Piano Concerto no.20 Difficulty
Reply #1 on: May 12, 2012, 04:16:32 PM
Can anyone answer me this question? Please ?? :'(

Offline vitruvius

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Re: Mozart Piano Concerto no.20 Difficulty
Reply #2 on: May 12, 2012, 05:52:57 PM
The Mozart is definitly above your level. But I have seen some really good grade 8 pianists who can straight away go on and play Prokofiev, and some really bad ones who can't even keep the tempo straight for Beethoven's moonlight. But the most important thing is if you like it and have a connection with it. The difficulties can be overcome with practice.

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Re: Mozart Piano Concerto no.20 Difficulty
Reply #3 on: May 12, 2012, 11:53:15 PM
how about a concertino? there are several to choose from and it would give you the experience, and still be an enjoyable performance. these smaller 'lesser concertos' are usually single movevment works so it'd be easier to keep it all together too, i woulnd't reccommend a multimovement work first one out.


big question, are you studying with a teacher, what is their assement of your skill level relative to available piano and orchestra works?


also there are some lovely 'student concertos' that are great fun. depending on your skills, consider the kabalevsky no 3, it is simply delightful, easily approachable musically, and though it still takes talent and lots of hard work, it was composed specifically to bridge the gap from student level works to the big concertos.

this one is a total 18 minutes in length for all three movements.


EDIT-JUST LISTENED IN ENTIRETY, DON'T GET TIRED OF THIS, I'M IN A HAPPY PLACE RIGHT NOW :)

score is cheap and easy to buy.

not nearly as popular (but i still love it very much!) is the shorter more modern kabalevksy no 4, composed for a youth piano competition, i absolutely love this, score is much much harder to come buy though

it's also lots shorter so though it's harder to digest musically, stamina and total amount of music wise it's a good choice too


my fav mvnt



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Re: Mozart Piano Concerto no.20 Difficulty
Reply #4 on: May 13, 2012, 01:43:54 AM
@OP: If you can really play all the pieces you listed (I don't mean just hit the notes, I mean actually perform the pieces), the notes for the Mozart concerto will be extremely easy for you to learn.

Get the score and play through it, you'll probably be surprised.

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Re: Mozart Piano Concerto no.20 Difficulty
Reply #5 on: May 13, 2012, 02:43:08 AM
@jayeckz
Yeah i can play them musically(dynamics, articulation and Phrasing) but my interpretation isn't as good as all the senior pianists.

And i am sort of weak at Mozart. Which is why i decide to take this Concerto. My teacher ask me to do a Concerto that is easier so i can learn with the orchestra.

Should i do Mendelssohn piano concerto no.1 or schumann piano concerto or the mozart no.20 cause i am leaning to this 3 =).

 I am just doing 1 movement btw.

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Re: Mozart Piano Concerto no.20 Difficulty
Reply #6 on: May 13, 2012, 05:07:54 AM
Yeah i can play them musically(dynamics, articulation and Phrasing) but my interpretation isn't as good as all the senior pianists.

Senior pianists?  Are you talking about in your school...or in general?

If you are truly playing musically, whether your interpretation is "good" as other people's interpretation is irrelevant.


Should i do Mendelssohn piano concerto no.1 or schumann piano concerto or the mozart no.20 cause i am leaning to this 3 =).

 I am just doing 1 movement btw.

The 3 concertos each have their own difficulties.

I can't comment on the third movement of Mendelssohn, but I played through the first movement and second movements of the Mendelssohn a few weeks ago while looking for a new concerto to learn.  Based on the pieces you've learned (mostly the Chopin Op. 10 No. 8 ), the hardest part of the first movement will probably be the octaves.


I would avoid the 3rd movement of the Schumann unless you REALLY like it.  The third movement will definitely be a painful learning experience at your level so I recommend avoiding it.  The first movement may be doable for you, but there are passages that are quite awkward.

Comparing the first movements of these 3 concertos, if I were to learn these pieces from scratch, the Mendelssohn would take the least amount of time to bring to a performance level and the Schumann would take the longest.


My teacher ask me to do a Concerto that is easier so i can learn with the orchestra.

Why are you on forums? Ask your teacher for his/her suggestion!

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Re: Mozart Piano Concerto no.20 Difficulty
Reply #7 on: May 13, 2012, 02:12:29 PM
She said i learn stuff fast so any of this three will do. But i want to learn them fast. And find the easiest so i can actually play it more musically than a struggle to battle with the piece.
Erm Senior Pianist like the old pianist. Horowitz, Arthur Rubinstein, Martha Angerich etc etc
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