Liszt Etudes 1837 vs 1851

[bearuo]

1.  Please recommend recordings better than Howards' recording of the #4, #8, or #10 (1837) etudes.

2.  Which version (1837 vs 1851) do you think is better for #4, #8, and #10?

3.  Just how much harder are the 1837 versions?

4.  Does anyone play the 1837 versions regularly public?  When and who was the last time to do that?

[thracozaag]

1.  Please recommend recordings better than Howards' recording of the #4, #8, or #10 (1837) etudes.

2.  Which version (1837 vs 1851) do you think is better for #4, #8, and #10?

3.  Just how much harder are the 1837 versions?

4.  Does anyone play the 1837 versions regularly public?  When and who was the last time to do that?

3.  Harder by quite a large margin.

4.  I have a video of Alexander Paley performing the entire set from several years ago.

koji (STSD)

[donjuan]

1. I think Janice Weber's recording of the Grande etudes is, for the most part, superb.  (except for #1 and #11, there it sounds like indecisive crap..)

2.for #8, I prefer the 1851 version, and for #10, I prefer the 1837 version- much more dramatic and full.  The transcendental version feels sort of... chopped up, compared to the earlier version..
My favorite recording of #4 is actually neither the 1837 nor 1851, but 1840 under the name "Mazeppa - A capriccio" (sp?)  .  I believe it is the most exciting!


3. the Grande etudes tend to be a little awkward for the hands, and you need to have crazy backwards Liszt genius technique to pull it off.  for example, grande etude No.2 is the most awkward, because the hand ends up being pulled in multiple directions, and you need it to all sound fluid, like one gesture, and it IS HARD!!  If you can play these, you will find everything else easy!
donjuan

[liszmaninopin]

The Grande etudes are quite challenging-I'd say comparable to Rachmaninoff's or Scriabin's, but not as difficult as Godowsky's or Ligeti's.

[cziffra]

Which set is the well known"Transcendental?"  1837 or 1851?

i'm just wondering if he wrote a set that was harder than the TRANSCENDENTALS.

[donjuan]

Which set is the well known"Transcendental?"  1837 or 1851?

i'm just wondering if he wrote a set that was harder than the TRANSCENDENTALS.

1851 are Transcendentals.

There is no setting EASIER than the transcendentals.  The Grande etudes (1837) are the most difficult, and Liszt revised them, making then easier and cutting stuff out, to form the Transcendentals.

I guess, one setting easier than the transcendentals could be considered the Etude in 12 exercises (1826)..

donjuan

[bearuo]

So has there public performance of the 1837s' by any pianist of significant stature?

[Daevren]

Leslie Howard recorded the complete Liszt piano music.

[thracozaag]

So has there public performance of the 1837s' by any pianist of significant stature?

 I don't know what you imply by significant stature..but Alexander Paley is an excellent pianist.


koji (STSD)

[bearuo]

Sorry I misunderstood, I assumed the video was not a public recording ...  Alexander Paley is no doubt a pianist of the highest caliber.  Do you know where I may be able to purchase that video?

[johnjwong]

lol don juan nice nice We both are liszt fans but u know liszt so much more than me  Anyways how r u doing with your rigoletto? And have u done HR2 yet? Give me some advice

[pianiststrongbad]

My favourite recordings for any Liszt, are Cziffra's.  With the exception of the concerti and sonata, which I like Richter.  I know Cziffra recorded the 1851 Transcendentals.  1837, are much harder in my opinion.  I have never bothered seriously playing any of these, but trying to just play through some of them, is rediculous.

[donjuan]

lol don juan nice nice We both are liszt fans but u know liszt so much more than me  Anyways how r u doing with your rigoletto? And have u done HR2 yet? Give me some advice

Thanks again for the Yundi Li recording of Rigoletto- It's probably the best I have yet heard (well, compared to Jorge Bolet and Leslie Howard anyway).  I am presently learning measure 55.  I learned HR2 before but it sort of slipped away when I got involved with other things.  I am thinking about relearning it, but I dont have too much time with a music festival coming up in November.
What do you need advice on?  Feel free to private message me or msn me.
donjuan