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I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa (Read 40508 times)

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #250 on: November 03, 2012, 09:32:17 PM »

Perhaps they just got lucky with this one, although I kind of refuse to believe that.


I doubt they got lucky with that one.  They probably have a lot more pianos just as good as that one, as well as every other brand.

I'm talking about the medium, not the crazy bagillion dollar pianos that either sit in showcases, or rich people's houses collecting dust.
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #251 on: November 03, 2012, 09:34:07 PM »
Are you sure?  I think Steinway is not the most expensive brand.  From what I know, the Bechstein, Bluthner, Bosendorfer and Fazioli all price their pianos higher than Steinway.  And I'm talking about Hamburg Steinways too.

I'm talking about the price quoted in catalogues/showrooms.  It might be that it is in practice possible to get huge discounts on Bechstein, Bluthner, Bosendorfer and Fazioli, but not on Steinway, so Steinway still works out to be more expensive than the others.  I'm just guessing as I have no experience of buying such expensive pianos.

It was a used one, built 1975, for ~75.000€ I believe. I haven't had the chance to play on an instrument more expensive than 100k€ (~100k would have been a new steinway iirc) yet. Though I did play on a blüthner and bechstein that cost roughly around 40.000€ (~60k$), which I think they were pretty good but nothing special.
I didn't buy any of those either just took the chance of (extensively) testing them in the showroom.

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Re: I'm deeply in Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #252 on: November 03, 2012, 09:56:38 PM »
I understand what you are saying.
Good.

I drink 3 pints of beer every day.
That's your problem - if indeed it is a problem...

I can quite easily stop myself from drinking by simply desisting from doing so
Indeed - so why not try it?...

but that does not of itself necessarily have to mean that I should not drink and comment on the pointlessness of alcohol should I so choose.
No, I suppose that it doesn't, but a different thread would surely be best for such a purpose, would it not?

Welcome to Lisitsa Anonymous.
Quoi? What does the above have to do with her?

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #253 on: November 03, 2012, 10:00:00 PM »
That's irrelevant.  

Just because Bosendorfer has been around before Steinway, doesn't mean that it's a better brand.  

You may think they sound good, but I think they sound terrible.
I didn't say that their greater longevity conferred upon them greater kudos per se; I merely pointed out that those of which I have had experience have impressed me immensely and are the kinds of piano to which I warm when I think of how my own piano music might best be represented.

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #254 on: November 03, 2012, 10:02:43 PM »
You can't use one piano to present any statistical significance.
Indeed not, but I can cite several to do just that - and I'm not even a pianist but I do know a thing or four about what works! Whenever I've laid fingers on one of these beasts I've seriously chided myself for not being a pianist!

No, I do not have any shares in the company...

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #255 on: November 03, 2012, 10:12:07 PM »
It was a used one, built 1975, for ~75.000€ I believe. I haven't had the chance to play on an instrument more expensive than 100k€ (~100k would have been a new steinway iirc) yet. Though I did play on a blüthner and bechstein that cost roughly around 40.000€ (~60k$), which I think they were pretty good but nothing special.
I didn't buy any of those either just took the chance of (extensively) testing them in the showroom.

Try playing on a 250k Fazioli.

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OH MY FREAKING GOD!!!
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«Reply #256 on: November 03, 2012, 10:42:49 PM »
Try playing on a 250k Fazioli.

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OH MY FREAKING GOD!!!
Any chance of some rationality here? No, I thought not...

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #257 on: November 03, 2012, 10:59:25 PM »
Any chance of some rationality here? No, I thought not...

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Well apparently you thought wrong.

I played on a 250k Fazioli after a salon concert, and I thought it was a good piano, jeez...
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #258 on: November 03, 2012, 11:02:57 PM »
Any chance of some rationality here?
No, this has become the thread of ultimate irrationality.

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #259 on: November 03, 2012, 11:05:00 PM »
No, this has become the thread of ultimate irrationality.

ALMOST ultimate irrationality!

I don't think we crossed the line just yet!  Because piano street has seen the likes of worse threads.
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«Reply #260 on: November 03, 2012, 11:42:47 PM »
Don't worry, we're all safe now:

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Re: I'm deeply in Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #261 on: November 04, 2012, 11:52:39 AM »
Good.
That's your problem - if indeed it is a problem...
Indeed - so why not try it?...
No, I suppose that it doesn't, but a different thread would surely be best for such a purpose, would it not?
Quoi? What does the above have to do with her?

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Lisitsaholism is comparable to alcoholism in many ways.  In its internet form, it manifests itself in two main ways:  firstly, in the disproportionately high number of times her videos have been viewed on Youtube.  Simply type the name of a piece of music for which she has uploaded a video, and you can guarantee that this video has been viewed the most number of times, often up to 2 to 3 times as frequently as recordings by masters like Rubinstein and Horowitz.  Secondly, on internet forums such as that of Piano Street, you only need to put the word Lisitsa in the thread to guarantee the maximum number of views and replies, regardless of the merit of the thread.

Listsaholism is arguably more serious than alcoholism in that many of its sufferers live in denial of their addiction: they have a tendency to pontificate on the pointlessness of it while indulging in their vice, whether consciously or unconsciously.
Beethoven - Sonata in C sharp minor, Op 27 No 12
Chopin - Fantasie Impromptu, Nocturn in C sharp minor, Op post
Brahms - Op 118, Nos 2 & 3

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Re: I'm deeply in Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #262 on: November 04, 2012, 12:28:48 PM »
Lisitsaholism is comparable to alcoholism in many ways.  In its internet form, it manifests itself in two main ways:  firstly, in the disproportionately high number of times her videos have been viewed on Youtube.  Simply type the name of a piece of music for which she has uploaded a video, and you can guarantee that this video has been viewed the most number of times, often up to 2 to 3 times as frequently as recordings by masters like Rubinstein and Horowitz.  Secondly, on internet forums such as that of Piano Street, you only need to put the word Lisitsa in the thread to guarantee the maximum number of views and replies, regardless of the merit of the thread.

Listsaholism is arguably more serious than alcoholism in that many of its sufferers live in denial of their addiction: they have a tendency to pontificate on the pointlessness of it while indulging in their vice, whether consciously or unconsciously.
At least Lisitsaholics don't cause accidents when driving with illegally and dangerously high quantities of Lisitsa in their bloodstreams - do they?...

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Re: I'm deeply in Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #263 on: November 04, 2012, 12:29:49 PM »
At least Lisitsaholics don't cause accidents when driving with illegally and dangerously high quantities of Lisitsa in their bloodstreams - do they?...

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Hahahahahahhahahahahaaha!
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Re: I'm deeply in Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #264 on: November 04, 2012, 12:30:58 PM »
Hahahahahahhahahahahaaha!
Why the additional "a" near the end?

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #265 on: November 06, 2012, 06:08:08 PM »
I think I might have made out with Lisitsa in the back of a rebuilt Corvair at the Blue Moon Drive In in Glendale, WV two years ago.  Not sure.  But think so.
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #266 on: November 07, 2012, 12:00:43 AM »
I think I might have made out with Lisitsa in the back of a rebuilt Corvair at the Blue Moon Drive In in Glendale, WV two years ago.  Not sure.  But think so.


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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're lying!!!  I don't believe you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I'm legit about to cry in real life!!!





But hey...  Watch your back.  Because I will find you...  And when I find you... I'm coming for blood! >:(
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«Reply #267 on: November 07, 2012, 12:12:58 AM »

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're lying!!!  I don't believe you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I'm legit about to cry in real life!!!





But hey...  Watch your back.  Because I will find you...  And when I find you... I'm coming for blood! >:(
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #268 on: November 07, 2012, 12:18:55 AM »
Live large, die large.  Leave a giant coffin.

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #269 on: November 07, 2012, 08:24:56 AM »
Get a sense of humor.
You're asking me?! That's rich!

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #270 on: November 07, 2012, 08:35:34 PM »
Forgot to mention that after Lisitsa and I left the Blue Moon Drive-In, she asked to drive my rebuilt, standard transmission, processed blue Corvair.  Of course, I let her, but had to caution her to stop calling the brake pedal, the "sostenuto" pedal.  Silly girl!  She owes me a phone call, by the way, rach.  Very bad at keeping in touch, so be warned.

p.s. every time someone admires my car, I say, "Valentina Lisitsa slept here!"  They are incredibly impressed, and usually say, in astonishment, "your car, TOO?"
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Re: I'm deeply in Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #271 on: November 08, 2012, 08:48:28 PM »
Lisitsaholism is comparable to alcoholism in many ways.  In its internet form, it manifests itself in two main ways:  firstly, in the disproportionately high number of times her videos have been viewed on Youtube.  Simply type the name of a piece of music for which she has uploaded a video, and you can guarantee that this video has been viewed the most number of times, often up to 2 to 3 times as frequently as recordings by masters like Rubinstein and Horowitz.  Secondly, on internet forums such as that of Piano Street, you only need to put the word Lisitsa in the thread to guarantee the maximum number of views and replies, regardless of the merit of the thread.

Listsaholism is arguably more serious than alcoholism in that many of its sufferers live in denial of their addiction: they have a tendency to pontificate on the pointlessness of it while indulging in their vice, whether consciously or unconsciously.

With regards to getting the most traffic by placing her name in the thread, you must be fair and remove rach from the thread as he alone constitutes at least half of the total posts.

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #272 on: December 04, 2012, 11:34:50 PM »
I'M CRAZILY DEEPLY MADLY LOVE YOU!!! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*





She and Rachmaninoff are the reason why I wake up every day.
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #273 on: December 04, 2012, 11:58:33 PM »
Her and Rachmaninoff are the reason why I wake up every day.

She and Rachmaninoff....  ::)
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #274 on: December 05, 2012, 12:00:57 AM »
She and Rachmaninoff....  ::)
wonders if you had something like this in your past.....


 ;D

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«Reply #275 on: December 05, 2012, 12:04:45 AM »
wonders if you had something like this in your past.....

Many times, though I wasn't wearing that dress.
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«Reply #276 on: December 05, 2012, 12:11:56 AM »
Many times, though I wasn't wearing that dress.
lol

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #277 on: December 18, 2012, 03:11:16 AM »
What is this weird forum coming to? :P

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«Reply #278 on: December 18, 2012, 04:13:35 AM »
What is this weird forum coming to? :P

This thread will never die!!!!!!!! ;D
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«Reply #279 on: December 18, 2012, 04:21:21 AM »
This thread will never die!!!!!!!! ;D
I'm going to kill it. Right now.

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«Reply #280 on: December 18, 2012, 04:27:54 AM »
I'm going to kill it. Right now.

The more you comment on it the stronger it gets. ;D

Anyways, I can't wait for her freaking Rach 1 sonata and piano concerto to come out.
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #281 on: December 29, 2012, 02:48:56 AM »
As long as you stay away from Helene Grimaud, you're welcome to Valentina Lisitsa.

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«Reply #282 on: December 29, 2012, 04:09:55 AM »
As long as you stay away from Helene Grimaud, you're welcome to Valentina Lisitsa.

Deal.

Maybe after we win the heart of our loves, we could go on a double date eh? ;)
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«Reply #283 on: January 20, 2013, 11:49:35 PM »
Deal.

Maybe after we win the heart of our loves, we could go on a double date eh? ;)

She is sooo much older than you. Haha
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«Reply #284 on: January 21, 2013, 12:00:16 AM »
She is sooo much older than you. Haha

True love doesn't discriminate against age!!!
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«Reply #285 on: January 21, 2013, 12:17:56 AM »
Haha, well done!
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«Reply #286 on: January 21, 2013, 01:38:57 AM »
Haha, well done!

Besides, I turn 18 in another five months.

That's when its legal for me to make my move, and strike!!!

No holding back anymore!
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #287 on: January 21, 2013, 01:50:08 AM »
Besides, I turn 18 in another five months.

That's when its legal for me to make my move, and strike!!!

No holding back anymore!

You'll also be of legal age to answer to stalking charges once she realises what's going on.
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #288 on: January 21, 2013, 01:58:12 AM »
You'll also be of legal age to answer to stalking charges once she realises what's going on.

Hey shut up I won't get any freaking charges!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #289 on: January 21, 2013, 02:15:22 AM »
Besides, I turn 18 in another five months.

That's when its legal for me to make my move, and strike!!!

No holding back anymore!

That is so hott. Minus the striking part. That sounds scary!
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #290 on: January 21, 2013, 02:30:49 AM »
No holding back anymore!

And your restraint to this point has been so exemplary.  ::)

** where's that sarcasm font when you need it!
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #291 on: January 21, 2013, 02:32:10 AM »
That is so hott. Minus the striking part. That sounds scary!

I read too much manga... ::)
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«Reply #292 on: January 21, 2013, 02:33:44 AM »
And your restraint to this point has been so exemplary.  ::)

** where's that sarcasm font when you need it!

Of course it has! >:( >:( >:(
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #293 on: January 21, 2013, 02:36:47 AM »
That is so hott.

Indeed, freshly 18yr old boys chasing 40yr old married women is what would get me going if I was a teenage girl..

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #294 on: January 21, 2013, 03:12:56 AM »
HAaa! some 40 year olds are worth chasing?
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #295 on: January 21, 2013, 03:27:04 AM »
HAaa! some 40 year olds are worth chasing?

Reminds me of that video/song one of my hiphop friends did a few years back.. (he was about 20 at the time)

I'd post it, but its content is sooo far outside PG that I'm not even going to consider it..

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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #296 on: January 21, 2013, 03:32:35 AM »
Oh my! Im sure its not as bad as some of the things im hearing on the phone right now! Perverts are so wierd!! Why cant i meet a normal person!
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #297 on: January 21, 2013, 03:33:07 AM »
HAaa! some 40 year olds are worth chasing?

Thank you.
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #298 on: January 21, 2013, 05:21:48 AM »
HAaa! some 40 year olds are worth chasing?

They certainly get easier to catch after then.
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Re: I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa
«Reply #299 on: January 21, 2013, 05:48:16 AM »
HAaa! some 40 year olds are worth chasing?

They certainly get easier to catch after then.

As someone who knows how to appreciate true beauty in members of the opposite sex, I would like to say that some women in their 40s give many women in their 20s a run for their money!

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