Thx to the reply the topic, is important to me talk with musicians in this time…In this video is me playing piano: [ Invalid YouTube link ]“(It’s me playing piano – in a school music recital – In this time I playing piano by 1 year and 6 moths. (Playing this music approximately 6 moths)”.After this I play a prelude and fugue (Cm) and a Beethoven sonata op 9 (E). But the records are on a cd and my actual notebook reader nothing cd/dvd. I really hates this sonata because playing her arpeggios I have my firsts problem with tendinitis, and how I was on evaluation to can enter in a high school of music I not stop playing.Today I see very points I can upgrade and make this piece beautiful. Whether can you explain about how I play and how are the interpretation, go ahead, but have in mind I actually not playing and was just planning a new start to me.Again, sry by English.Edit:I try put how private but my wife says is impossible see video. Actually I don’t like to show others how I play, and how I’m. Because this I'll delete the video or put how private in a week. It’s is to you (forum people) see and have an idea from me. Edit 2:My wife says to me put other video I have. This one is I’m playing, too in a recital but in this video i was playing piano by 1 year (my first year on piano). Playing this piece by 7 months or somethingthere.&feature=youtu.beIf u see something on my playing style which contribute to a tendinitis, Please comment. I talking with a lot teachers and 2 of these are the opinion that I use too much fingers (phalanx?).
I have to think this is a tired reaction. Do you feel your hands are too stiff when playing?
and the weight you put into the keys should come from your forearms
nice video you linked to me. I think (hehe) if I could hear she when I playing I do more beautiful this music. :p beautiful, beautiful…I think you are right. Much times, talking with my teacher (in season, 2007-2009), question about these hands rigid, him talk to me get little movements with hands to relax. But, I don’t remember him talking to not get wrist below keyboard. But I was started Piano in this time, and this is a long time ago.But yes, I have this problem with shoulder and arms/hands. I sustain my shoulder (unconscious) on 'air' and with time my arms got hardened. And I don’t know how resolve these problem. I try playing slow and up with metronome, but with time I back to vicious.I can't understand this. How the forearms can get this? I hear a lot people (and teachers) saying that but I can’t understand.Thx a lot to try read my bad English and try help. I’m really very grateful .
Your wrists are very inflexible. You're moving your elbows around instead.
Hello, again, I think it’s a good day to me (hehe), I really think I understand what you mentioned, about weight of forearms. In season I associate weight with gravity, and “the gravity put apple to the down to the ground, because the weight” (understand?).Can I see you playing?
This leaves you with no choice but to fix the hand and wrist,
This both reduces the energy hitting the keybed and keeps the wrist from getting forced into in any collisions.
- I just watched the earlier film and you actually move way better in that one. Did someone tell you try to try to play with more arm-weight or something? If so, they've really done more harm than good. I've gotta say that the difference between the two is massive- but that you'd be far better off with the style of movement in the earlier film. The only thing in that one is that you tend to over-relax the fingers after sounding the keys- so the arm ends up bobbing around, or having to work harder not to collapse down. If the fingers just continued to quality of contact- so as to keep a loose wrist completely aligned, rather than wanting to flop down, the style of movement would be pretty good indeed. I don't know what caused it, but the later film looks far less healthy and comfortable.
I have the same problem. I used to be a member of my high school's crew (rowing) team and I developed tendonitis in both of my wrists. I've noticed that playing for long periods of time definitely ignites the tendonitis, but speed or power doesn't normally do anything. If I'm attempting an Etude, then my wrists tend to flare but that is expected.I would say to just take it easy if you are nervous about it reemerging. Also, physical therapy, if possible, can do wonders. I try to do stretches now and then but it also depends on how bad yours is. Best of luck.
Another situations which contribute are: not have time appropriate to relax (exemple, after i play piano all day I use computer to play games night). Irregular studies (more time playing than relaxing during day, much hours playing). A fragile body, without good muscles ( ).But when I back play, I do not know how modify this concept, have an idea? (of which playing with upper body, how is possible change this. Too, how is possible percept this error).I need you say to me what is the first movie and the second, it is in the order I put or that you watch? – When you mentioned ‘actually’ I think you are saying about the first movie (1year ans 6moths)*second movie (1 year playing).
Apparently, with the style of movement I've discovered recently, the tendons are barely involved.
Gravity would appear to be inadequate, so are you suggesting you've developed psychokinesis? If so, I'm truly impressed.
In any case, the main point is that depending primarily on arm pressure requires greater effort (to stiffen the hand against giving way)
With any use of force you will be required to 'stiffen the hand' otherwise it will move back in reaction to the key. A requirement for the joints to resist is a less emotive way of putting it.
I think talking about 'resistance' may be more sensible. The hand and fingers must resist the force of the keys. How you do that is up to you - there are good and bad ways obviously. I'm afraid I make it a rule not to read blogs - there are just too many.
Certainly. Any type of 'stiffening' as a mindset could be a backward step. The experience of playing is so different from the reality - and need be kept so.
I think you'll find the reality is more complex than that. Some day medical science may take more than a cursory interest but until then we'll just Rthave to rely on transferring our subjective experience and hope it's effective. Teaching good technique is so difficult!
You seem obsessed with stiffening and yes, the physiology is extremely complex.
Still that word 'stiffen'. I give up!
By earlier, I mean earlier in time- the E flat nocturne. Your movement looks way better in that one- without the forceful arm presses.
That way, it's literally impossible to be pressing.
Quote Apparently, with the style of movement I've discovered recently, the tendons are barely involved. Gravity would appear to be inadequate, so are you suggesting you've developed psychokinesis? If so, I'm truly impressed.
No. Instrinsic muscles. I'm more concerned with the results than the muscles, but I have heard that the specific style of extension movement I use involves intrinsic muscles greatly more. The interosseus muscles serve to open the space between the fingers (pure knuckle actions close it) and apparently they are also more involved in moving the finger, during extension actions- compared to purer pulls from the knuckle.
It's just not possible to discuss hand and finger movement in such a general way. It depends on the concrete situation: playing a single note, playing a chord, playing a big intervall, slow jump, fast jump, dynamics etc.It's not possible to play everything without active finger movement, but often finger movement can be replaced by other movements (hand, wrist, arm). And it is a great relief to do this.
nyiregyhazi, have you ever thought of the possibility to throw the hand and / or fingers?And another question: how do you play octave tremolos without fixation?
So, if this is youyou have an excellent technique and everything would be fine - if you didn't tell people strange theories about not moving the arm and hand. It's exactly what you do and what I am proposing.
aindayouI suggest being very careful reading Andrew's writings. He is very much in his own world with regard to piano technique, and his extreme excessive thinking greatly hinders finding natural ways of solving playing challenges.He's quite stuck, and if you read back in time, he's virtually in the same place he was years ago, promoting his extremely unnatural "finger extension" method of playing. He will defend this "poking" technique without hesitation, which he himself cannot use when he plays up to speed. So be very careful reading him... he "sounds" like he knows what he's talking about, but in practice, his theories do not work since he himself cannot employ them. Pianists play by finger "flexion" not "extension". A simple fact of nature.A very strange situation I'd avoid if I were you.
Pianists play by finger "flexion" not "extension". A simple fact of nature.
Yes, a simple flexion like we do 100 times a day is the answer. When do we ever use the unnatural extension? The only use I know of is to allow us to grasp larger things (by opening up our hand).
Pianists play by finger "flexion" not "extension". A simple fact of nature
I agree with this (too because i had tendinitis in extensions tendons).
Do you see me playing?, can tell me what you see wrong, what I can improve.Help me with the perception, to I know what I do wrong in my technique (and remember: this is a past video and I had 3 years stopped).
AindayouYes, I immediately saw something that I think you need to change.It is very important, in my opinion. Its your posture and height.First, I think you need to sit higher. Your elbow is too low. Your elbow should be no lower than the keyboard, and preferably a little higher, a couple of centimeters.Why?By sitting higher, your arm will feel lighter and more free, which should remove any tension you're feeling in your hands. With your elbow and forearm so low, you're almost "holding on" to the keys with your fingers. When you sit at the right height (judged by experimentation), your upper arm should hang simply by gravity, and your forearm and hands should feel like they are floating and hovering just above the keys. This way, you have not only eliminated all the effort you are making "holding up your arms and hands to reach the keys", but now you can move more and move easier to produce sound.The second thing, is you sit too far away from the keyboard, but I think this will be corrected when you sit higher.This seems like such a simple thing, and it is, but its critical. Adjusting your height will likely feel strange to you at first, but stick with it and focus on the feeling of lightness and freedom in your arms and hands.If I am correct, I think this may make a very big and positive difference for you.