Higgs Boson found at LHC?!

[rachmaninoff_forever]

omg omg omg omg!!! Okay so they've found a new particle! Everyone's saying that they discovered the Higgs Boson particle because of a leaked video, but I'm not taking anything for granted until tomorrow! Whether or not they discovered it, it's still gonna be interesting!  I can't wait to hear what they discovered!  I'm so exited!

In case you don't know what the Higgs Boson is, in short, it's basically the particle that gives everything mass.  If they discovered it, and the properties of Higgs is what scientists predicted, then that would prove physicists standard model of the universe correct!  And if you don't know what the standard model is, then it explains how all of these little 16 or 17 subatomic particles create the universe!

This what Einsteins whole life's work was about!!!  Kind of...  The Standard Model is not the same thing as the theory of everything
 

[j_menz]

Oh good. I had been wondering where I'd dropped that.

And finding one small particle hardly makes up for the 97% of the Universe they've lost in the past few decades.

[49410enrique]

finding the 'God particle' will be cool and all but i won't get excited until someone actually gives us a viable and consistenlty testable (by experimentation with reproducable results) grand unified theory. 

i.e
"The current problem with a fully unified field theory is in finding a way to incorporate gravity (which is explained under Einstein's theory of general relativity) with the Standard Model that describes the quantum mechanical nature of the other three fundamental interactions. The curvature of spacetime that is fundamental to general relativity leads to difficulties in the quantum physics representations of the Standard Model.
 
Some specific theories that attempt to unify quantum physics with general relativity include:
 •Quantum Gravity
•String Theory / Superstring Theory / M-Theory
•Loop Quantum Gravity
•Theory of Everything
•Supersymmetry

..."

having a single cohesive lense by which to view all physical reality would open so many doors for humanity. that's for sure. maybe we're not ready for it. maybe 'Einey' had it and simply kept it to himself/took it to his grave knowing we would not be responsible with the knowledge..

still it is all very cool that they are making some progress here and there that's for sure.

[49410enrique]

now on a different physics discussion the buzz about these new magnetic 'solar portals' is really cool, to think we have these 'gateways' in the 10's of thousands of KM  away ('i.e. super close") to us is super amazing.

https://www.upi.com/blog/2012/07/03/Space-portals-do-exist-and-a-researcher-has-found-them/3771341334336/

[Bob]

Have they determined this for sure?  For sure, for sure?  It's not a "We MAY have discover x, y, z?"

And what do they do with it then?  What does it mean?  We know what causes mass... and then what?

[Bob]

I still wonder what they can do with it.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I still wonder what they can do with it.

Are you saying that it's a useless discovery?

[costicina]

In my ignorance int this field, I can't say nothing about the scientific value of the discovery. But I found so beautiful the sheer joy in the faces of the team of young and older researchers seeing at last the realization of their passionate and hard work!!!! It has to be a wonderful experience, and I feel like toasting with them to celebrate  

[starstruck5]

I love anything which is the result of hard work and passion also. My favourite kind of films.

I just don't trust scientists -if they discover anything -the military use it to make a bigger bomb. They won't be happy until they figure out how to create a bomb powerful enough to blow up the world -

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I love anything which is the result of hard work and passion also. My favourite kind of films.

I just don't trust scientists -if they discover anything -the military use it to make a bigger bomb. They won't be happy until they figure out how to create a bomb powerful enough to blow up the world -

You know there was quite a bit on controversy on whether or not the Hadron Collider would create a black hole large enough to destroy the Earth.  They made some microscopic ones but they were so small they vanished before they could get any bigger.


And I also remember reading something a year ago where they made a vacuume bomb.  They called it the 'eco friendly' bomb or something.  It's stronger than a Nuclear bomb but there's no radioactive fallout lol.  'Eco friendly' bomb?!  Are you freaking kidding me?  What an oxymoron!

[chadbrochill17]

I think we all need to sit back and wait for the secondary experiments/more data. Yes, it is probable that they found the Higgs, but we don't know for certain yet. One must remember that they pulled this when an experiment seemed to suggest nutrinos moving faster than light, which only turned out to be faulty wiring.
Believe me, I'm extremely excited as much as anyone, especially since I'm going into astrophysics, but I can't say anything until the confirmation. After all, that IS how science works.

[chadbrochill17]

Have they determined this for sure?  For sure, for sure?  It's not a "We MAY have discover x, y, z?"

And what do they do with it then?  What does it mean?  We know what causes mass... and then what?

It basically means that what we thought we knew about the universe is right. It means the Standard Model, which scientists have been using for years, is correct. It's one more piece of the puzzle.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I think we all need to sit back and wait for the secondary experiments/more data. Yes, it is probable that they found the Higgs, but we don't know for certain yet. One must remember that they pulled this when an experiment seemed to suggest nutrinos moving faster than light, which only turned out to be faulty wiring.
Believe me, I'm extremely excited as much as anyone, especially since I'm going into astrophysics, but I can't say anything until the confirmation. After all, that IS how science works.

Well they said they found it, they just don't know if it's the Higgs Boson they predicted it would be.  So which Higgs Boson they found remains a question.  They said they hit 5 sigma right?

I wanted to go in physics, but I was like nah.

[49410enrique]

I wanted to go in physics, but I was like nah.

[gitaristica]

I wish I could understand this, but it's a bit too much for my untrained gray cells. I can only say that observing you super smart guys is a very interesting job. Cestitam! 

[chadbrochill17]

Well they said they found it, they just don't know if it's the Higgs Boson they predicted it would be.  So which Higgs Boson they found remains a question.  They said they hit 5 sigma right?

I wanted to go in physics, but I was like nah.

They did say the sigma, yes. But, they really only said that they found SOMETHING that is basically exactly like the Higgs. They just can't say for sure that it really is the Higgs yet. I saw a good video a CERN press conference where one of the scientists said, "Imagine seeing somebody at a very far distance away. He looks like your friend, in fact it probably is your friend, but is it really him? So instead of calling out to him, you walk closer in order to better see him." That's the same with the Higgs. They found something exactly where the Higgs should be, but they need more results in order to be sure.

And yeah, I went into physics and now I wish I had done piano. Oh my GPA...

[rachmaninoff_forever]

They did say the sigma, yes. But, they really only said that they found SOMETHING that is basically exactly like the Higgs. They just can't say for sure that it really is the Higgs yet. I saw a good video a CERN press conference where one of the scientists said, "Imagine seeing somebody at a very far distance away. He looks like your friend, in fact it probably is your friend, but is it really him? So instead of calling out to him, you walk closer in order to better see him." That's the same with the Higgs. They found something exactly where the Higgs should be, but they need more results in order to be sure.

And yeah, I went into physics and now I wish I had done piano. Oh my GPA...

Nevermind then!

[Bob]

Are you saying that it's a useless discovery?

I'm wondering what we can do with it.  If they've thought it was there for fifty something years they should have some idea of what they can do with it by now.  Are we going to get hoverpads by 2015?

[49410enrique]

  Are we going to get hoverpads by 2015?

i know right? I mean just a few weeks ago we past the point to where he goes into the future (part II). they had hover boards. really they should have cracked this by now.

from June 27

[Bob]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_time_machine

I need to make an appointment to get my car hover converted.  I've still got until 2015 though.  

Whew!... We're good.  That was a hoax.   October 21, 2015.

https://urbanlegends.about.com/od/humo1/ss/Back-To-The-Future-June-27-2012.htm

https://mashable.com/2012/06/27/back-to-the-future-hoax/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_the_Future_Part_II

I heard about another hoax like that a few years ago.


If these haven't been edited....

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[49410enrique]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_time_machine

I need to make an appointment to get my car hover converted.  I've still got until 2015 though.  

Whew!... We're good.  That was a hoax.   October 21, 2015.

https://urbanlegends.about.com/od/humo1/ss/Back-To-The-Future-June-27-2012.htm

https://mashable.com/2012/06/27/back-to-the-future-hoax/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_the_Future_Part_II

I heard about another hoax like that a few years ago.


If these haven't been edited....

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oh well. fooled me once. i've been had. admitted. learned. thanks for setting me straight!

[Bob]

Fooled people twice too.  It looks like it's from some kind of video/DVD promotion that went viral.  2010, that's when I heard of it I think, and again in 2012.

So the scientists still have some time.  This discovery fits into the timeline.  We just have to wait.  That should solve the oil problem issues too I would think. 

I think I'd like a chair or bed that hovers too.  All my furniture.  I could just nudge it around.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_time_machine

I need to make an appointment to get my car hover converted.  I've still got until 2015 though.  

Whew!... We're good.  That was a hoax.   October 21, 2015.

https://urbanlegends.about.com/od/humo1/ss/Back-To-The-Future-June-27-2012.htm

https://mashable.com/2012/06/27/back-to-the-future-hoax/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_the_Future_Part_II

I heard about another hoax like that a few years ago.


If these haven't been edited....

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Correlation doesn't = causation?

[j_menz]

Correlation doesn't = causation?

Only in conspiracy theories and pseudoscientific quackery.

[49410enrique]

Only in conspiracy theories and pseudoscientific quackery.

and in mainstream media reports of studies.

[Bob]

True.  Maybe it's not the Higgs Boson that allows hover boards.  Esp if HB if for inertial mass and hover boards need something to counteract gravitational mass. 

I already found someone who said they'll do the conversion and I've got an non-refundable appointment set up. Non-refundable!  Somebody better get moving on the hover technology.


I don't have the article in front of me but I saw a few lines where someone asked the same thing -- What can we do with it?  The scientist said they don't know.  And they might not have any idea of how to apply it for a centuries.  Right now it's just more understanding.  Doesn't sound like a hover board to me.  *Bob considers postponing the conversion appointment a century or two, just to be sure.*

[rachmaninoff_forever]

True.  Maybe it's not the Higgs Boson that allows hover boards.  Esp if HB if for inertial mass and hover boards need something to counteract gravitational mass. 
 
Somebody better get moving on the hover technology.

Already started...

[emrysmerlin]

I somewhat don't share the enthusiasm of this scientific discovery. Reasons are:

1. So apparently Higgs, as a God particle, has a value that is not unlimited [Edit: I meant able to be counted in quantas]
2. There is a lot of asymmetry, and most of nature is about symmetry
3. Yes it's a level-5 sigma, but it's still unconfirmed.
4. Is it really a god particle?
5. Is it really a Higgs boson?

I suggest you guys search up "E8 theory," which is quite interesting.

[starstruck5]

   Was Einstein was wrong about the speed of light being constant?  It appears that some  proton particles arrive 5 seconds later from some huge explosion of energy at a point billions of light years away -

Sub Atomic particles are too weird for me -but it is interesting -

[emrysmerlin]

  Was Einstein was wrong about the speed of light being constant?  It appears that some  proton particles arrive 5 seconds later from some huge explosion of energy at a point billions of light years away -

Sub Atomic particles are too weird for me -but it is interesting -

Well, the speed of light in a vacuum... anyways did you mean "photons" at where you put "protons"?

[starstruck5]

   Typical of me to mis-remember something -

There was a TV programme on recently about finding the smallest thing in the universe -I think the Physicist was measuring different kinds of particles -and yes photons is more accurate-
He made the analogy that a large car moving along a road will progress without being hampered by any bumpiness in the road surface -on the other hand a small model car will move much more slowly, because the bumpiness in the surface will affect it far far more -and so he made the leap that gamma particles travelling through space will affect different particles in different ways -if space at its smallest level is in flux -Conclusion being that the Speed of Light is not constant -

Or at least that is how it sounded to my uneducated brain -Physics-wsie -