Trill - Right and left hands synchronization

[drooxy]

Hi everyone,

I am presently working on the sonata K545 (facile) from W. A. Mozart.

I would like to get advices on how to synchronize the right hand trilling and the left hand accompaniement on bar 25.

Thanks to anyone who could help me !

Cheers.
Drooxy

[landru]

If you are new to trills and have listened to a lot of great trills in recorded pieces, then my advice is to not to think of the trills in this piece as "trills". That will make you get an image of the sound in your head/hands that is unhelpful to a beginner, as it was with me.

With the "trills" in this piece, it is helpful to just think of them as 32nd notes played 2 to the 16th notes in the accompaniment (I don't have the score in front of me, it might be 16th to the 8th?). Playing them slow and even at the start gets the "trill" like feeling in you hands and ear and then when you speed up, it retains it flavor. At high tempos, not many pianist do more than two notes per 16th in any case!

The first instinct is to try to trill the right hand as fast as possible, which for me was a mess. It was uncontrolled in pitch and duration (I could never stop it in the right place). Only when I did two trill notes to the left hand did I get it under control. And then once it is down, the trills just come naturally.

Good luck!

[iansinclair]

Permit me to add that the same principle applies to Baroque and Renaissance music as well. 
Also, be a little careful about whether the ornament starts on the note, or on the note above (earlier practice) and whether it is just a "trill" or whether there are assorted turns attached at the beginning or the end.

[asuhayda]

In addition to all of the good suggestions here.  I would also recommend that you modify the fingering of the trill passage.  I often see trill fingering as 2-3.. however, you may find it easier to control a trill with 1-3.  Many professionals use specific sets of fingers to trill such as 1-3, 1-2, 2-4 and 3-5 (for pieces such as La Campanella).  Of course, do whatever is most comfortable for you. 2-3 seems to be pretty commonly used in music book, but I'm skeptical about whether or not its ideal.

Trilling is all about extreme relaxation.. the two fingers trill should be the only parts of your hand using any energy at all.. the rest of your trill hand should be completely at rest.

Hope this helps you out!  It will take some practice.  Becoming proficient with trilling is not an over night thing.. it's going to be a while.  Be patient!

[j_menz]

I would agree with this suggested fingering to get you started.

[drooxy]

Thanks to all for your inputs...

The difficulty I am encountering is more in synchronizing the two hands than in trilling... More precisely, my problem is to produce a nice, smooth end of trill with the two hands in phase !

I am now trying to trill two notes right hand (2x32nd) for one note left hand (1x16th). That allows me to be "mathematically" accurate and, above all, to finish the trill "nicely" (still it gets difficult while speeding up the tempo...).

So, I wonder if that "trick" is a good solution ? And, if I end up mastering it even while playing fast, will it be musical ?

Thanks to all of you again and have a nice musical day !

Drooxy

[j_menz]

Thanks to all for your inputs...

The difficulty I am encountering is more in synchronizing the two hands than in trilling... More precisely, my problem is to produce a nice, smooth end of trill with the two hands in phase !

I am now trying to trill two notes right hand (2x32nd) for one note left hand (1x16th). That allows me to be "mathematically" accurate and, above all, to finish the trill "nicely" (still it gets difficult while speeding up the tempo...).

So, I wonder if that "trick" is a good solution ? And, if I end up mastering it even while playing fast, will it be musical ?

Thanks to all of you again and have a nice musical day !

Drooxy

If you look at the picture I posted, what you are trying is exactly what is shown there. To get it smooth and up to speed, start of slowly and gradually build up to the speed you are after. The result will be exactly what is required. Not a trick, either.

[drooxy]

So, it seems that I am on the good track ! 

I keep working that way then...

Thanks.
Drooxy