Music that you wanna learn because nobody plays it the way you like it

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Rach 3
Rach 2
Rach 1 (specifically the Cadenza)
Kingdom Hearts Dearly beloved (people make their own transcription but I hate all of them)
Rachmaninoff sonata 1
Petrouchka
Ondine
Scarbo
Rach moment musical 1 and 2
Scriabin sonata 5
Prokofiev 2
Prokofiev 3
Ravel's 'boat on the ocean' from mirrors
Ligeti The devil's staircase
Schubert moment musical op. 94 no. 3
Schubert moment musical op. 94 no. 3 arrangement by Godowsky
Liszt un sospiro
Chopin prelude 4
Sergio tiempo's transcription of Chopin's revolutionary thirds etude
Le Gibet
Second movement of Beethoven sonata Op. 10 No. 3
Mozart piano concerto 20
Vine sonata 1

I already know the Shubert moment musical and the Chopin prelude but I still can't do it...

So what about you?

[hmpiano]

That would be all music for me.

[starstruck5]

Rach 3
Rach 2
Rach 1 (specifically the Cadenza)
Kingdom Hearts Dearly beloved (people make their own transcription but I hate all of them)
Rachmaninoff sonata 1
Petrouchka
Ondine
Scarbo
Rach moment musical 1 and 2
Scriabin sonata 5
Prokofiev 2
Prokofiev 3
Ravel's 'boat on the ocean' from mirrors
Ligeti The devil's staircase
Schubert moment musical op. 94 no. 3
Schubert moment musical op. 94 no. 3 arrangement by Godowsky
Liszt un sospiro
Chopin prelude 4
Sergio tiempo's transcription of Chopin's revolutionary thirds etude
Le Gibet
Second movement of Beethoven sonata Op. 10 No. 3
Mozart piano concerto 20
Vine sonata 1

I already know the Shubert moment musical and the Chopin prelude but I still can't do it...

So what about you?

LOL so that is about everything then -you didn't say why you disliked the interpretations out there though -

Mine would be:

Liszt Au Lac De Wallenstadt -   grrrr to those who play it too fast and blur the left hand triplets
Beethoven -Waldstein ----------grrr to those who begin the last movement like a dirge
Mahler  -----5th Symphony   ----Hate the orchestral version -better to play it for myself -
Bach   ------WTC  ------------grrr to those who play Bach like he is made of clockwork and plays on that abomination aka the Harpsichord -or even worse the Organ
Clementi ---Sonatas ----Well someone has to don't they?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

LOL so that is about everything then -you didn't say why you disliked the interpretations out there though -

Mine would be:

 
Beethoven -Waldstein ----------grrr to those who begin the last movement like a dirge

It would take too long to post all my reasons.  It would be like a page per piece lol

And whoops!  Forgot about Waldstein!

[j_menz]

The whole repertoire.  Not that I don't "like" some recordings, just that no performance can fully capture a work. And you never knows how good or bad a rendition is until you've played it yourself in any case.

Given the time constraints imposed by mortality (curses!), it becomes a matter of prioritisation.

[ajspiano]

no performance can fully capture a work.

Imagine if every rendition from a particular performer was completely identical - wouldn't that seem a little robotic. They can be similar, but i doubt ever identical in a truly well rehearsed work. I mean, I specifically practice different interpretations, or just small differences at particular points within an interpretation to allow my self to choose, and control the flow in different ways every time. Never predictable.

and how can any other person besides oneself truly capture our own - changing over time - emotional experience relating to a piece of music.

....

All music.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

The whole repertoire.  Not that I don't "like" some recordings, just that no performance can fully capture a work.

I mean, I like Yuja Wangs Petrouchka a lot but her glissandos aren't my favorite.  I like Kissins a lot to but he's kinda robotic.  I also think his tremolos are better.

So I wanna learn it to play it with Glissandos and tremolos as clear as Kissins, and the flare like Yujas

[imbetter]

for some reason I've never heard a prokofiev 2 cadenza with adequate power/intensity

[rachmaninoff_forever]

for some reason I've never heard a prokofiev 2 cadenza with adequate power/intensity

And like 70% of them screw up the timing when the Brass comes in at the end of the first movement.

Valentina Lisitsa does a good Cadenza!  Except she doesn't have it on her channel.  The only recording of her playing it is in heavy metal song lol.  I'll have to look for it though.

[virtuoso80]

In general, when I hear pieces that call for heaviness, intensity, darkness, or the like, I usually think I can play them better than most. As someone who might listen to something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW9WUCJSK1E as a nice little pick-me-up to start to day, I find some notions of 'heavy' and 'high-energy' done by classical innocents to be kind of...cute. It's also telling that I consider https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzjtaiExMwA to be one of the greatest orchestral recordings of all time, and wonder why more orchestras don't play with that kind of intensity.

So, although it's a big generalization, those are the kind of things I feel like I can pull off much better than the standard pianist.

[virtuoso80]

Mahler  -----5th Symphony   ----Hate the orchestral version -better to play it for myself -
Bach   ------WTC  ------------grrr to those who play Bach like he is made of clockwork and plays on that abomination aka the Harpsichord -or even worse the Organ
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I'm a big Mahlerite, but I've generally found recordings for most of his work that I like.

As for the WTC, people have such a reverence for Bach that they think it's wrong to make his music sound human, which I totally disagree with.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

When you hear a recording, do you guys think that you could do better?  I remember reading someone saying that somewhere.  I wonder if that goes for everyone. 

[j_menz]

When you hear a recording, do you guys think that you could do better?  I remember reading someone saying that somewhere.  I wonder if that goes for everyone. 

Not necessarily that I could do better, but certainly that it could be done better.

Also, when listening to a recording, you're kind of stuck in the one track. One single interpretation, one resolution of all the musical possibilites.

When playing a piece, I'm confronted with a world of options, decisions, ambiguities.  A recording will never reproduce that aspect of a work.

[jollisg]

Chopin etude op 25 no 7 - Okay, I have already learnt this piece.. I think everyone tends to play it either too fast, to slow, to heavy touch or too "flat".

Beethoven waldstein sonata - It's also a tempo thing, and that many have a heavy touch

Chopin first ballade - Why are folks banging the "fast" thing in the right hand in the beginning of page two? I have two different (very different) editions, and it just stands a small crescendo, not FFFFFFF ? 

Grieg piano concerto a minor - The beginning.. I feel that everyone plays it like.. Not the way I would like to 

Khachaturian toccata (e flat minor) - I'm learning that piece right now... I feel that folks don't pedal the way I would like

Beethoven 32 variations in  c minor - I feel like people are afraid of contrasts and a little bit of tempo in the piece. The ones that I think have a good tempo (Kissin for example) don't feel the phrases in the same way I do